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California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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How do you get a first owner for water?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? I just described two ways. There's Right of first use, Riparian rights, and my pet illustrative example of treating it as a publicly held asset to be sold... There's other ways beyond those three, but the first two are how ownership is assigned in the US today.

You're arguing with extreme left about markets.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Wow, that's some serious imagination you have there. It wouldn't work anything like that, of course.

This is what happened in CA to a lesser degree.

California never had a market for water / water rights, so your extreme left imagination is left without data to back it up.

At all.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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You're wildly contradicting yourself. California is both an example of how markets can't handle water, and has also never had markets in water.

I never said they had markets in water.

You implied this when claiming the rich are buying all the water rights.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Residential water use is minimal. Most water is used for irrigation. Further, cheap water storage results in increased evaporation, it’s a net loss over time.

Seems like less net loss than letting it run off into the sea. Just have to deal with the extra salt from letting those reservoirs slowly evaporate.

Choosing to have rivers exist is a separate choice. In a drought California could stop that flow to preserve reserves.

Instead they choose to spend some water having a river.

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Mandatory aquifer recharging would be a good first step. One of the big problems is that California can't adequately take advantage of these wet winters because the reservoirs can only hold so much and the ground can only absorb water so fast, so a lot of water ends up getting into the rivers and escaping back into the Pacific (or sits in ephemeral lakes/ponds/wetlands until it evaporates). If we helped along the pro…

I think the main reason we don't have desalination plants is because they have to be on or near the ocean, which is the most expensive property in the state. No one wants to ruin their view or have a big industrial machine near their home. Basically, I think NIMBYism keeps us from having Desal.

Except that the coast is already covered by all kinds of of industrial blight. From the oil platforms in Huntington Beach and Seal Beach, the three oil refineries in Long Beach and the South Bay to the five drilling platforms in the Santa Barbara Channel. And Santa Barbara is among the prettiest and wealthiest areas in Southern California.

So no, nimbyism has nothing to do with it.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Are you saying there are no water rights in the current system? If there are, what's wrong with being able to trade them?

The very wealthy buying all the water and selling it at a huge markup with poor people dying of thirst.

If we generously assume someone needs 2 liters of water/day to survive, then only 3% of California's water production is needed for its population to not die of thirst. A market system could easily be set up where this tiny sliver of water is reserved for this purpose, avoiding the scenario where those dastardly rich twirl their mustaches and cackle while the poor wither.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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I never said they had markets in water.

You implied this when claiming the rich are buying all the water rights.

I didn’t say that. I said they would IF we had an open “market” for water.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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This is what happened in CA to a lesser degree.

California never had a market for water / water rights, so your extreme left imagination is left without data to back it up. At all.

In the late 19th century rich people in LA bought many properties upstream of Owens valley, on the Owen’s river, and diverted the water to LA leaving farmers in Owens valley without the water they historically had and needed for their farms.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Being a bit cynical here, but could we just call it the California rain cycle, instead of being amazed every 7-10 years when droughts come and go.

> instead of being amazed every 7-10 years when droughts come and go. Was there a drought 10 years ago though? I don't recall.

Yes. When I first moved to the Bay Area I could not turn on NPR without hearing about the poor delta smelt suffering from the drought for what seemed like every 5 minutes.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Other way around. You pay more in the flat rate if you have a big lawn.

Property size should be irrelevant. It should just be based off usage.

So you’re saying you want to give discounts to people who choose small houses with no years just because they have no yard? I can get behind that. That would encourage people to buy small properties which solves both the water and real estate problems.
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