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California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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And yet we won't be building any more water storage. As a result, we have about the same water capacity to survice the next drought as we had in the 1970s. There were half as many residents then, and climate change wasn't a concern...

Residential water use is minimal. Most water is used for irrigation. Further, cheap water storage results in increased evaporation, it’s a net loss over time.

Seems like less net loss than letting it run off into the sea.

Just have to deal with the extra salt from letting those reservoirs slowly evaporate.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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You probably wouldn't want to drink the stormwater that's washed off of LA pavement.

Modern water plants can clean it.

Possibly, but it seems like the setup to a bunch of news stories about heavy metals in our almonds.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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That's just how it goes. Revenue streams never go away. Government becomes dependent on that revenue and continuing to collect is it easier than re-shuffling other revenue around or choosing what to de-fund so the revenue gets kept. Get used to your drought surcharge. It's not going anywhere. Edit: Based on the popularity of this comment one would think government revenue streams go poof all the time. If anybody has…

Remember those "fuel surcharges" from when gas was over $4/gallon? Me too. I'm still paying them.

You've ridden in a taxi lately too huh? Gas was $1.99/gallon and the cab adds a $2 "fuel surcharge" for a 10 minute ride.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

#124
post #38

And yet we won't be building any more water storage. As a result, we have about the same water capacity to survice the next drought as we had in the 1970s. There were half as many residents then, and climate change wasn't a concern...

Los Angeles has a system of cement washways that move large amounts of rainwater to the ocean to prevent flooding that used to happen semi-regularly. If they stored that water in reservoirs, they wouldn’t need to get so much of their water from the various aqueduct systems used today. Such a system could effectively buffer the negative impact of droughts, while still serving the purpose of flood prevention during wet…

They could literally just dam up the spillways for the washways, let the washways fill up with water, and then pump the water out of them into treatment plants during summer. Make the washways deeper to handle more water. It would cost money, but a lot of the infrastructure is already there.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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The experience here in Orange County over the last few months has been nuts. Being able to hang out down near the ocean and see the San Gabriel mountains just decked out in snow is surreal: https://i.redd.it/kueaye5p6si21.jpg Another photo: https://i.redd.it/vy7dlavrh0f21.jpg Anaheim hills, an area that rarely gets snowed on: https://i.redd.it/trbf198kb6i21.jpg Then we roll right into the poppy/wildflower superbloom…

I thought California. Has the best climate in the country?

Not even close.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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post #63

For those interested in seeing drought data, here's a CA map: https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonito... And here's a time series: https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Data/Timeseries.aspx

Time series is for the whole country or continental only.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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https://www.drought.gov/drought/states/california which was updated 3 days ago. No drought, simply 6.6% "D0-Abnormally dry".

This one is pretty good too. Essentially the same info: https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonito...

Yeah that's basically the same thing. The National Drought Mitigation Center is at U Nebraska Lincoln :)

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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The experience here in Orange County over the last few months has been nuts. Being able to hang out down near the ocean and see the San Gabriel mountains just decked out in snow is surreal: https://i.redd.it/kueaye5p6si21.jpg Another photo: https://i.redd.it/vy7dlavrh0f21.jpg Anaheim hills, an area that rarely gets snowed on: https://i.redd.it/trbf198kb6i21.jpg Then we roll right into the poppy/wildflower superbloom…

I thought California. Has the best climate in the country?

Right along the coast is great. For example, Venice is very nice. Los Angeles itself is mostly too hot.

If you think cool temperatures are more comfortable, then San Francisco is great.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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They need to completely change the way water in California is billed. Right now rates keep going up as we get better at conservation, which disincentives conservation.

At the same time, in areas with a flat rate, people use way too much water. When Sacramento had a flat rate, you'd see people turn on their hose as they left for work and let it flood their lawn all day, running into the street, to keep their lush green lawns in 105F weather. As soon as they introduced water meters, the lawns went brown and the bills went up.

I think the billing needs to be a flat rate for everyone that is high enough to cover all water delivery costs, based on size of property, and then you get a credit if your usage is below median for similar families/farms/industries and you get an equal surcharge if you're above that. Then you'd be encouraged to use less water than your neighbors, but all the costs would even out since 1/2 the people by definition would pay extra, so they wouldn't have to raise the flat rate part so quickly, only slowly as the overall cost of the water system increases. It would put the consumer in much more control of their water costs.

My family for example gets hit with a huge surcharge because we added two people to our family since they started tracking, so we aren't "conserving" anymore. We're conserving more than before, we just have double the people!

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