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Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Facebook is big tobacco. Intelligent people generating profits that knowingly harms society (even if you do get some joy from a cigarette, that doesn't justify working for a tobacco company). I really hope the smart people at Facebook see the obvious parallel, and choose another career. History will judge you.

Shaming people who work for tobacco companies is childish and myopic.

Is perpetuating an international public health crisis for short term financial gain any less myopic or childish?

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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I've known Chris Cox since freshman year of college and he was an informal advisor to my first startup. The NYT article referenced in hashberry's earlier comment includes a key quote: “For over a decade, I’ve been sharing the same message that Mark and I have always believed: Social media’s history is not yet written, and its effects are not neutral,” Mr. Cox said in a note to employees on Thursday. “As its builders…

Can a for-profit company that even went public, that offers it's product "for free" to it's users really be good? I think at the heart of the problem is Facebook's business model. It can't be good and still sustain itself.

I think, at the very least, it would have to be a not-for-profit organization.

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A non-disparagement clause is so fucking bonkers. I read these things and would never sign something like that. It’s a blatant corporate attack on your freedom of speech and absolutely insulting as a human. You pay me. You do not control me!

If you got paid what he is getting paid to keep your mouth shut, I think you would.

doubtful. he's already got f-u money. a couple million more doesn't matter.

what's probably more likely is that his net worth is highly correlated with facebook's, and disparagement could materially affect that.

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I don't think that "broad generalization" fairly characterizes the gp. They are saying they observe a lot of benefit in Facebook - if you read the post, that's all they say. Maybe Facebook also produces a lot of ill. Any claim about the final impact of Facebook is claim to be able to sum up the good and the evil FB does and get a definite value. That's a pretty challenging argument.

Perhaps, but that person is responding to another about the impact Facebook has on society, good or bad, and that person only highlights the good essentially. I do think it's important to remember that Facebook is really doing nothing technologically amazing to allow that communication -- voice or text -- across geographical borders. The internet forms the basis of this core technology and Facebook simply made it eas…

You say, "Facebook is really doing nothing technologically amazing to allow that communication," but you're kind of glossing over the immense complexity of building systems to support private and public communication (for free), and prevent an incredible variety and volume of abusive traffic.

Can you name a single alternative at their scale with a business plan that is viable long term and not state run or state supported?

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I've known Chris Cox since freshman year of college and he was an informal advisor to my first startup. The NYT article referenced in hashberry's earlier comment includes a key quote: “For over a decade, I’ve been sharing the same message that Mark and I have always believed: Social media’s history is not yet written, and its effects are not neutral,” Mr. Cox said in a note to employees on Thursday. “As its builders…

"Zuckerberg's vision of Facebook as a good thing for the world was a lie" - That is such a broad generalization. In the developing world where I live Facebook gives me the opportunity to maintain contact with my family who live on the other side of the world, as I walk the streets of São Paulo, for free. There are hundreds of millions of others like me who keep in contact with their family because of Facebook (and th…

> Facebook gives me the opportunity to maintain contact with my family who live on the other side of the world, as I walk the streets of São Paulo, for free. [...] The alternative (cel phone calls and sms)

I use email to keep in contact with my family. CC everyone, then reply all. No Facebook required.

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A common feature request for my app: remove FB login! These are users who didn't even use it. But just seeing the Facebook login option there next to email (it was the only OAuth) gave them the creeps. These aren't tech savvy users either, just regular small town businesses I think Facebook has a long, long, long way to go towards brand repair before anyone can 'trust' it in any way

Have you ever looked at what exactly those facebook login buttons load? I don't feel safe browsing sites with facebook integration anymore unless I'm running uMatrix or am in a container.

Does uBlock stop Facebook tracking? Or is there such a thing as Faceblock?

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what would be a manner of having people creating their family and friends comments and photos on an enviroment mostly hosted on one of the group members phone, so information is mostly...let me think...information at a ceartain level of size lets say 1 Giga for example, then it would autosave the oldest data, so in this case no more then for example 10 days of data is stored, because the storage is at local device phone of a member of a group...so the old info is saved on the local server or even at a central server but contained in the access and supervision of the host member of the group...just ideas...no underlines...

I sometimes imagine I would like to see a socialmedia where no need for names, there is a map, like runescape map or mix of google maps and google earth and runescape map and at certain points you can see a mark like a map mark or something and a sign that reads I was here on summer on a rainy sunny morning and started to snow and I was there to meet someone I date in the newspapaer but when I sit on the bench was a brazilian guy and we becaome good friend really and after half hour of talk We realiza I was not talking with the guy I was supose to know , to meet in a casual newspaper date and it was so fun...

Or you see a little pink heart on the map near the lake you use to go as teenager to summer camp or vacations and it says Jenny was sitting near by this tree in the summer of that year...

or you see a little starbucks coffee paper cup on the Map point of your corners coffee place where you saw the red haired girl yesterday and the comment on that arrow says Hey, guy on blue shirt, im the red shirt...

Or just say a name like a given name like...

I was in this school when I was 6 and I remember my friend Alexandre with blue eyes...

on an little icone at the map, righ...

I think it would be a fun social network...

I hope all people and employees on social media jobs around the world be well and confident that things are going better...

...thanks...

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I used to be a fan of Facebook, but I was never obsessed with it. I even used to work there. I'm over it. It's useful for groups, some of the ads really are useful, it's nice to sometimes keep up with people that are far away, but the news feed has had done way more harm than good for our society, including my own life. After the 2016 Election, Facebook posts lead to so much drama in my family that certain "branches"…

> There is no way to turn this part of the feed off.

Unfollow everyone, and you don't get sucked into interacting with the facebook feed. Use it for Messenger, groups, and events. I've been doing that, and facebook is a perfectly good communication utility without any of the grief.

Honestly, we as users should demand a simple switch that entirely disables the feed. It turns facebook from a socially messy skinner box into something benign and generally quite useful.

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> Facebook has the strongest culture in the valley For a company so regularly beset by scandal, this feels like a bold assertion. Culture of what?

Any other company in their shoes would have had a mass exodus. Chris was a big part of making employees feel like they shared a piece of the dream. Whatever your thoughts about Facebook, the fact that some of the smartest people have worked, and continue to work at a company "beset by scandal" should give you pause.

Smartest people? Their tech stack is a dated cargo-culting of Google, hell, their newest thing is just using kubernetes with a thin wrapper.

Their AI platform is a also ran in pretty much every aspect.

Where exactly are the smart people?

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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post #168

Facebook is big tobacco. Intelligent people generating profits that knowingly harms society (even if you do get some joy from a cigarette, that doesn't justify working for a tobacco company). I really hope the smart people at Facebook see the obvious parallel, and choose another career. History will judge you.

If anything your comment speaks to the weird paradox of who is responsible for a corporation's actions. Is it the shareholders? Is it the CEO? Is it the employees? Is it the board? Is it the customers?

It almost ends up that there are so many people with a thread of responsibility that everyone involved has someone else to blame. Resulting in there being no one to blame.

Fascinating to think about.

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