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Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by na85 » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:11 PM UTC

ilovecaching wrote: post #41

hashberry wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some theories: 1. Rebranding Facebook as secure and private 2. If this increases usage, more opportunity to display ads 3. Their data shows they gain more information by monitoring what people publicly share, not say in private 4. Removes all responsibility to work with law enforcement and governments for illegal activity, since it's encrypted

Could you ever consider that Zuck has enough money, and that he really believes in making a product to connect people for the greater good and use ads to make it available to everyone?

That's irreconcilable with his actions.

Why would a person who believes those things have made the "dumb fucks" quote?

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by praneshp » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:12 PM UTC

cheeze wrote: post #23

sgt wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily it's not a critical service, nor is Instagram. WhatsApp is probably the most critical as a lot of people depend on it every day, even for business purposes.

Agree. I don't think something like FB or even Amazon.com going down has huge impact. People just come back later and get what they need done. OTOH, having a subscription based service in specific going down can be catastrophic because you lose so much customer trust (think Azure, Spotify, etc.). In that sense, I guess amazon.com can be bad too with things like prime video, etc.

In fb's case you look at impact from the end-user's perspective, while in Azure/Spotify case you switch to the provider's perspective.

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by tyre » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:12 PM UTC

arunv wrote: post #27

Chris Cox is a huge loss for Facebook. His first day speech is still the reason Facebook has the strongest culture in the valley.

> Facebook has the strongest culture in the valley

For a company so regularly beset by scandal, this feels like a bold assertion.

Culture of what?

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by lwb » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:12 PM UTC

Gimpei wrote: post #31

throwaway23445 wrote: post #19

Chris was one of the rare people who understood both the technical side and business side of a product/business. There were so many times where an engineer would start blabbling big terms to avoid doing something or an PM spouts MBA Bullshit and Chris just shuts it down. What outsiders who focused on the PR never knew is that there was a balance of power in FB that kept things going forward. Now, with these changes a…

What was the philosophical difference between the two? Short-termism vs what?

Long-termism?

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by stickfigure » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:12 PM UTC

Toine wrote: post #22

> But after 2016, we both realized we had too much important work to do to improve our products for society "Primum non nocere." I cannot help but laugh at this statement. I think Facebook has done, and is still doing, way more harm than good for society. Like many other addiction-based services, it generated massive revenues for very few people, at the expense of society.

My friends and I derive significant value from keeping in touch via Facebook. I find your attitude condescending and insulting.

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by renholder » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:13 PM UTC

ilovecaching wrote: post #41

hashberry wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some theories: 1. Rebranding Facebook as secure and private 2. If this increases usage, more opportunity to display ads 3. Their data shows they gain more information by monitoring what people publicly share, not say in private 4. Removes all responsibility to work with law enforcement and governments for illegal activity, since it's encrypted

Could you ever consider that Zuck has enough money, and that he really believes in making a product to connect people for the greater good and use ads to make it available to everyone?

>...and use ads to make it available to everyone?

Could you ever believe that's not all that he does with ads?

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by thundergolfer » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:14 PM UTC

na85 wrote: post #51

ilovecaching wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you ever consider that Zuck has enough money, and that he really believes in making a product to connect people for the greater good and use ads to make it available to everyone?

That's irreconcilable with his actions. Why would a person who believes those things have made the "dumb fucks" quote?

I'm no fan of Zuckerberg, but he said that quote over a decade ago, and people can change their beliefs and values.

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by zeeshanm » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:15 PM UTC

renholder wrote: post #49

ordinaryradical wrote: post #24

I just don't understand how anyone can believe his vision for "a privacy-focused social network" is even possible this late in the game. There is too much money riding precisely on the reductions of privacy Facebook has enabled for this to be realistic anymore. The ad dollars come from knowing you, not concealing you. Plus, once you're a public company, the rules change—you have shareholders to honor—and if you got t…

> The ad dollars come from knowing you, not concealing you. Advertising dollars are far more lucrative if you think you can trust where you're sharing your deepest, darkests... Imagine what people would share between themselves if it wasn't "public for the world to see". Imagine how many more data points that would produce for targeted advertisements on the Facebook platform, alone. Edit: Including necessary referenc…

I believe "privacy-first social network" begins with a pretext to have privacy from advertisers, data hoarders, etc.

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by stingraycharles » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:15 PM UTC

ilovecaching wrote: post #41

hashberry wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some theories: 1. Rebranding Facebook as secure and private 2. If this increases usage, more opportunity to display ads 3. Their data shows they gain more information by monitoring what people publicly share, not say in private 4. Removes all responsibility to work with law enforcement and governments for illegal activity, since it's encrypted

Could you ever consider that Zuck has enough money, and that he really believes in making a product to connect people for the greater good and use ads to make it available to everyone?

Privately he has enough money, sure, but as the CEO of Facebook he has a responsibility to maximize the value of the company.

Personally I believe he should pull a Bill Gates, hand over the reigns and take his philanthropy private.

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by rkho » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 9:15 PM UTC

na85 wrote: post #51

ilovecaching wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you ever consider that Zuck has enough money, and that he really believes in making a product to connect people for the greater good and use ads to make it available to everyone?

That's irreconcilable with his actions. Why would a person who believes those things have made the "dumb fucks" quote?

I see that quote being referenced a lot, and given when it was made I'm curious what it says about whether or not we believe that people have the capacity to change.