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Re: Firefox Send: Free encrypted file transfer service

#431

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The open web is more than just a browser. The cost is minimal when you have your own infra instead of AWS’ bandwidth gouging.

Another user pointed out that Firefox Send is written to use an Amazon S3 compatible API to run. That could mean that Mozilla is using AWS for the service. https://github.com/mozilla/send#requirements

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19370632

Re: Firefox Send: Free encrypted file transfer service

#432

How does it work? Is it P2P or what?

The encrypted file is stored in the cloud. The recipient downloads it from there and decrypts it. P2P would be much better, but this isn't that.

Wasn't it initially P2P and based on the WebRTC protocol?

Re: Firefox Send: Free encrypted file transfer service

#433

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Minio is your friend. (S3 compatible self-hosted, open-source object store). I recently implemented a text/snippet sharing tool that uses Minio instead of S3, because I like to self-host everything. https://minio.io/

I use this with Seafile to store data in Azure Blob storage - it was incredibly simple to setup and has been rock solid since. Highly recommended!

I'm curious, how do you use both seafile and minio?

Re: Firefox Send: Free encrypted file transfer service

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post #12

I can't believe that there isn't a simple service to transfer data between my cellphone and my computer without going through the internet. iTunes is terribly bloated, MTP is a mess, and Bluetooth is slow and frustrating. Back in my hacker day I used to have an SSH server open on my cellphone and use it to transfer files back and forth with my computer. Why isn't there a mainstream service like that?

"I can't believe that there isn't a simple service to transfer data between my cellphone and my computer without going through the internet."

The correct way to do this is to configure your phone to emulate USB mass storage and then connect with a USB cable.

Your phone looks like a thumb drive. It's the easiest workflow in the world.

Unfortunately, this workflow is off limits because of some licensing requirement from MS for fat32 (or something) which is why neither android nor ios has this very basic, simple feature.

Re: Firefox Send: Free encrypted file transfer service

#437

In the not so recent past, HN'ers loved to quote tptacek's legendary rant about how in-browser JavaScript crypto is fundamentally broken[0]. What changed? Is that rant finally outdated? Couldn't Mozilla at any time serve a corrupted JS bundle (with or without their knowledge) which would leak the key somewhere, silently replace the encryption by a noop, etc? I ask out of interest, not skepticism. I much prefer an int…

SSL isn't the only crypto you'd ever want to do though. What if you want encrypt data so that it is encrypted all the way through the layers of the application to the database? That's a valid use case to use in tandem with SSL. Also I have to mention cryptocurrencies.

Re: Firefox Send: Free encrypted file transfer service

#438
If relevant Mozilla people are here: Send does not work if "Delete cookies and site data when Firefox closes" checkbox in FF preferences is checked. Even the page doesn't load [1]. It surely is a bug, because I am not closing Firefox.

That checkbox is #1 reason I only use Firefox.

[1] Developer console log output: "Failed to register/update a ServiceWorker for scope ‘https://send.firefox.com/’: Storage access is restricted in this context due to user settings or private browsing mode. main.js:38:10 SecurityError: The operation is insecure."

Re: Firefox Send: Free encrypted file transfer service

#439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use this with Seafile to store data in Azure Blob storage - it was incredibly simple to setup and has been rock solid since. Highly recommended!

I'm curious, how do you use both seafile and minio?

Minio is an S3 proxy, allowing you to use different storage backends with systems that support S3-compatible blob storage (like Seafile).

In my case I have Minio in front of Azure blob storage, so Seafile is storing data in that.

I host Seafile and Minio using Docker Compose, which was super-simple to get started with.

Re: Firefox Send: Free encrypted file transfer service

#440

Very clean and nice, but how is this financed? That is, who's paying for the server storage and the bandwidth?

We'll find out by the end of the year »

Secondary - In support of Revenue KPI

We believe that a privacy respecting service accessible beyond the reach of Firefox will provide a valuable platform to research, communicate with, and market to conscious choosers we have traditionally found hard to reach.

We will know this to be true when we can conduct six research tasks (surveys, A/B tests, fake doors, etc) in support of premium services KPIs in the first six months after launch.

https://github.com/mozilla/send/blob/master/docs/metrics.md

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