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Winding down my Debian involvement

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Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

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post #95

> I have more ideas that seem really compelling to me, but, based on how my previous projects have been going, I don’t think I can make any of these ideas happen within the Debian project. Interesting article. I had a chance of asking two distributions about some particular feature (making it easier to get GPG keys of developers). The first one I contacted was Gentoo: they quickly CCed my email to relevant people, di…

> (I use Arch btw.)

of course you do

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#142
post #8
post #5

The post shares several pain points with Debian's slow, aging change-process and integration-infrastructure. Open question: If Debian contributors feel the need to drop out and move on due to these pain points, are there less-painful Linux-distribution projects out there that are getting more of these pain points right they can flock to? Is this a sign that Debian needs to reform, or that other, newer distributions a…

I switched all my servers to Ubuntu years ago when people were telling me "Ubuntu is no server distribution". I honestly never looked back.

Are they who blindly use CentOS/RedHat?

Ubuntu specifically has a "server" version. I've been using it since 10.04 (almost 9 years) and never had to use anything else.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#143
post #29

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Ubuntu is... interesting. Watch out for what packages you rely on, and what repository those packages come from. If they're in universe, expect your bug reports on Launchpad to go unanswered or unresolved. The only way to get fixes in them is to go upstream to Debian. But note that not every bug in a universe package is actually fixable or broken in a Debian world, because the bug might be down to interactions betwee…

I think ubuntu has done a decent job with universe by and large. I find it in much better shape overall than epel. A good way to judge the health of these auxiliary repos is to look at the age of chromium. Ubuntu is generally good with patching at least security issues in universe. epel is still running behind by a month or two despite the security disclosures. So RH ought to take a page from Canonical's book when it…

I don't mind RH being slower as I take it that's what makes RH what it is. Old packages but most stable.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#144
10+ year emeritus DD here -- Honestly I think "modern" dev culture is quite different from the core of he Debian community and this is both a strength and weakness. I can't say that I want Debian to look anything like the node ecosystem.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#145
post #105
post #5

The post shares several pain points with Debian's slow, aging change-process and integration-infrastructure. Open question: If Debian contributors feel the need to drop out and move on due to these pain points, are there less-painful Linux-distribution projects out there that are getting more of these pain points right they can flock to? Is this a sign that Debian needs to reform, or that other, newer distributions a…

openSUSE uses the Open Build Service[0] to build, well, openSUSE. OBS also supports other distributions etc., but it makes it fairly easy to put up a package.[1] For RPM-based distros (e.g. openSUSE), you write a .spec-file, check it in via OBS's version control alongside your sources, and off you go. OBS builds the package (and pulls in dependencies as needed etc.) and publishes the result as a repository with GPG k…

Do you feel any concern when the owner keeps changing? I think that's part of the reason people keeping a distance.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#146
post #144

10+ year emeritus DD here -- Honestly I think "modern" dev culture is quite different from the core of he Debian community and this is both a strength and weakness. I can't say that I want Debian to look anything like the node ecosystem.

Not saying there's not enormous room for improvement - just would be careful to conflate that with "it needs to work more like homebrew" or whatever-- yikes

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#147

I've been using Debian for over 10 years and I still love it as a user. But as a developer, I find it extremely frustrating. I've several times attempted to figure out how to package my open-source projects [1] [2] for Debian but the process is a nightmare. As I understand it, I first have to find someone with appropriate privileges to mentor me. I should be able to just submit a potential package for review. Then th…

I’m surprised and sad that that’s still the case. I was the creator and maintainer for an open source application some 10+ years ago, and figuring out how to package it properly for Debian was essentially impossible.

It eventually got packaged by someone who had been involved in the Debian community for some time.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#148
post #10
post #5

The post shares several pain points with Debian's slow, aging change-process and integration-infrastructure. Open question: If Debian contributors feel the need to drop out and move on due to these pain points, are there less-painful Linux-distribution projects out there that are getting more of these pain points right they can flock to? Is this a sign that Debian needs to reform, or that other, newer distributions a…

I like Debian, but I agree it's become too slow and bureaucratic. Sadly, like most big organizations, it is hard to implement changes from inside. In my opinion, most Debian's issues stem from a centralized imperative package manager where all packages need to be carefully kept in sync for things to work. Moving to something like Nix would greatly simplify development. This is far from a new idea. In fact, it was qui…

> In my opinion, most Debian's issues stem from a centralized imperative package manager where all packages need to be carefully kept in sync for things to work.

Hmm, in my opinion, this is good thing, not an issue needs to be solved.

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#149

I've been using Debian for over 10 years and I still love it as a user. But as a developer, I find it extremely frustrating. I've several times attempted to figure out how to package my open-source projects [1] [2] for Debian but the process is a nightmare. As I understand it, I first have to find someone with appropriate privileges to mentor me. I should be able to just submit a potential package for review. Then th…

It should be easier to make a Guix package and submit it. Then you could run Guix on top of Debian, or use Guix functionality to make a container. Either a tarball or a docker container if that's more your style. https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/blog/2018/tarballs-the-ult...

Re: Winding down my Debian involvement

#150
post #87
post #24

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Sorry about that! I’m not great with Web Design, as you can tell. If anyone wants to contribute a CSS fix, or just a pointer to a good article on how to fix this, I’d be very grateful!

Besides the lack of responsive sidebar, never justify text on the internet. Particularly for blog posts.

With hyphens enabled it's not that bad.
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