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Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by mac01021 »

henrikschroder wrote: post #16
paulsutter wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If “daylight savings” time is so great, why not keep it all year round? Why change at all?

The rationale for daylight savings in a southern latitude like California is this: People generally wake up, and go to work the first thing in the morning. They would like to travel to work after sunrise. They would also like to maximize the amount of daylight they get to enjoy outside of work. This means that in the summer, all the daylight before waking up is "wasted" so you want to move solar noon forward. But if…

But can't we just leave the clocks unchanged and then let people wake up at sunrise and go to work and school as early as they like?

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by tumetab1 »

anoncake wrote: post #159
tumetab1 wrote: post #52

Title improvement suggestion: EU Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings IMHO, EU institutions should always be referred as such instead as related to a continent, i.e., "EU Parliament" is more correct than "European Parliament"

Calling the European Parliament "EU Parliament" would be like calling the US Congress "USA Parliament". Not wrong, but silly.

I think in the US example it would be like people referring to USA congress as "America Congress" instead of "US Congress".

IMHO, implying that there's a political institution for a continent while that's false is weird.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by function_seven »

mac01021 wrote: post #210
function_seven wrote: post #5

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Whenever someone advocates for UTC being the wall clock time all over the world, I think of Jason Mendoza from The Good Place : > Anytime I had a problem and I threw a Molotov cocktail, boom! Right away, I had a different problem!

By why is UTC a Molotov cocktail?

This site does a good job of explaining:

https://qntm.org/abolish

For me the biggest headache would be the date changing in th middle of the day.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by noir_lord »

macca321 wrote: post #78
StavrosK wrote: post #50

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In my experience, it gets more confusing for English people who schedule meetings in GMT in the summer and then are an hour late.

It's also a problem for software engineers in the UK, for whom 6 months of the year utc and local time are the same, resulting in people not knowing the difference. In the rest of the world it's bleedin obvious. A downside to inventing time I guess ;)

Also in software dev and yes it's a pain, I've had to point out multiple times that UTC != GMT.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by mac01021 »

Reason077 wrote: post #131
paulsutter wrote: post #10

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If “daylight savings” time is so great, why not keep it all year round? Why change at all?

> "If “daylight savings” time is so great, why not keep it all year round?" This is exactly what many countries are proposing. Rather than abolish summer time, just make it permanent.

Which is exactly the same as using standard time all year and then moving all your appointments 1 hour earlier for the rest of eternity.

Except that "noon" ceases to mean the time when the sun is highest in the sky equidistant between sunrise and sunset and "midnight" ceases to be the middle of the night.

In this respect, standard time makes more sense. In no respect does "daylight time" make more sense.

Still, anything that makes us stop changing the clocks twice a year is fine with me.

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Post by emerongi »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #88
Tharkun wrote: post #62

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Getting rid of DST sounds like a good thing. Not messing time is patently good. But a bunch of countries on the western side of the EU ought to be on GMT instead of GMT+1. And appparently a majority of people want to make that worse, by making a permanent switch to GMT+2. This will make for fun winters, with the sun rising long after rush hour. This is stupid.

This will make for fun winters, with the sun rising long after rush hour. This is stupid. This doesn't matter at all. Really. Folks in northern locations deal with it all the time. The sun rises and sets during rush hour in lots of locations in the world and it doesn't cause things to end.

Either you drive to work in dark or drive home in dark. It really doesn't matter.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by szatkus »

kuroguro wrote: post #193
spiderfarmer wrote: post #174

Lets also try and spread working times from (mostly) 9-5 to 6-2, 7-3, 8-4, 9-5 and 10-6 so we can solve the traffic congestion problem, all while enabling people to work when they work best.

Don't forget spread the free weekend days randomly between companies.

We already tried this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_calendar

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by matt_kantor »

xattt wrote: post #191
rimliu wrote: post #184

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Alas, early sunshine wakes up some noisy birds, so curtains may not be the entire solution :(

Clearly, shifting the time by an hour keeps the birds asleep longer.

Your comment was probably meant to be silly, but in case not:

Using wall clock time as the measure, this would mean the birds sleep later. The hour we used to call 4am would be called 5am. Birds will wake up at the same physical time, but what matters is what our clocks say.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by ptah »

JdeBP wrote: post #114
ptah wrote: post #98

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BST is all year, just it is the same as GMT for (roughly) half the year

The "S" stands for "Summer", and I strongly recommend reading things like https://infiniteundo.com/post/25509354022/more-falsehoods-pr... and http://creativedeletion.com/2015/01/28/falsehoods-programmer... before confidently making statements on this subject.

number 35. contradicts what you said

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by tbrownaw »

hcnews wrote: post #8

Someday US will get this too! Right after the metric system. Seriously speaking: I wish US gets rid of the clock change (one way or the other).

Part of the reason that timezones are so annoying to work with, is that it's often easy to forget about them.

Getting rid of summer time will just make this worse.

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