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Minimum Viable Personality (2011)

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I think that by "personality" he means "story". Like, a cool story that you can somehow attach to the product. So when people see the product they also think the story. And then they think, "woah, what a great product!". (But what they really mean is "woah, what a great story!") I see this in the art scene. It's like the art-piece isn't enough for people. They want an artist's statement. A philosophy. Who made it, wh…

I think about this sort of thing a lot.

Imagine you stumbled upon a band that produced music objectively just as good as The Beatles. But they're just a pack of rich trust-fund kids, and nobody has ever heard of them. Is their music really as good as The Beatles, then? How much of The Beatles' greatness is due to the raw music, and how much is due to their story and canonicity?

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This sort of ties in nicely to the "WOKE BRANDS" video[1] that came out recently from H. Bomberguy. It's a bit lengthy but it goes into a very poignant discussion of the problematic underpinnings of brands adopting a particular aspect of a "personality", namely a hypocritical social conscience.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06yy88tLWlg

Re: Minimum Viable Personality (2011)

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post #39

I think that by "personality" he means "story". Like, a cool story that you can somehow attach to the product. So when people see the product they also think the story. And then they think, "woah, what a great product!". (But what they really mean is "woah, what a great story!") I see this in the art scene. It's like the art-piece isn't enough for people. They want an artist's statement. A philosophy. Who made it, wh…

I think about this sort of thing a lot. Imagine you stumbled upon a band that produced music objectively just as good as The Beatles. But they're just a pack of rich trust-fund kids, and nobody has ever heard of them. Is their music really as good as The Beatles, then? How much of The Beatles' greatness is due to the raw music, and how much is due to their story and canonicity?

I see your point. (I personally think their goodness is due to raw music. They produced very high-quality stuff.)

But people vary in their inclination/ability to appreciate music and other such art. Some consume music. Others consume music + story.

This makes me think of bad rap. Rap is basically music that markets its own story right there in the song. If you like the story then you will turn a blind ear to the bad music. I think this happens a lot.

Also, maybe the consumption of stories comes more naturally to people than the consumption of sights and sounds. Maybe it's easier.

Also, another speculation, maybe digital music goes down rougher than analog. Maybe there is an unconscious difficulty there, like it hurts our throat to swallow it. Which has made modern digital music less appealing relative to stories.

Re: Minimum Viable Personality (2011)

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I disagree that the world is full of products that work, and that most people want more "interesting" products.

Maybe at a certain age when one is full of naivety, that is true. But at this point, I prefer products that are stable and work well, even if they are a bit "boring". This is not limited to tech: no amount of marketing is going to convince to prefer a thoughtless but glitzy cafe than a cozy one where I am made to feel comfortable through attention to detail.

I suspect I am like most people who have more than a certain level of experience in life, but maybe I may be wrong. The more I consume various products, the more I realise just how horribly bad most products are: insurance that barely works, software that is insecure, etc.

Re: Minimum Viable Personality (2011)

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What are we doing to ourselves? If you were in the market for a new pair of shoes, what would be the sensible thing to do to get the best pair? Would you look at the glitzy ads, or would you try to choose something that is durable and comfortable for its price? Would you compare celebrity endorsements or spec sheets? There's no one in their right mind who would say the right way to buy a computer is to look at advert…

Hardly anyone is capable of drawing meaningful conclusions from comparing specs and functionality between computers. Advertisements are the way the vast majority of people understand what products can do. There's a reason iPhone commercials focus exclusively on some single, insignificant functionality like a facial recognition emoji generator.

People ask their (more) tech literate friends for advice. Making decisions based on ads is a sure way to have a bad time.

Re: Minimum Viable Personality (2011)

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What are we doing to ourselves? If you were in the market for a new pair of shoes, what would be the sensible thing to do to get the best pair? Would you look at the glitzy ads, or would you try to choose something that is durable and comfortable for its price? Would you compare celebrity endorsements or spec sheets? There's no one in their right mind who would say the right way to buy a computer is to look at advert…

> This is good advice for how to make money. But bear in mind that, if you try to build a personality for your company, you are choosing something for your customers that you would never choose for yourself. Unfortunately, treating people like gullible children is a winning strategy. I can't think of any large company that treats their customers with decency and respect.

Interesting point, badpun. I think there's an assumption that generally a good company: "treats their customers with decency and respect."

I wonder if one problem is that cultural/societal values change over time, and a company might not be keeping up with the times. And that may adversely impact the way a company is treating their customers. What do you think?

Re: Minimum Viable Personality (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it bad? People (or companies) become aware of products that may solve their needs. Marketing does not mean "shut off your brain and buy our product" - it can simply be to raise awareness. You still need to do your own personal due diligence on any product or service you purchase.

>People (or companies) become aware of products that may solve their needs. Who doesn't know what Coca-Cola is? Who doesn't know what a Macbook is? Who doesn't know what Disney is? Who doesn't know that Ford makes trucks? Who doesn't know that Budweiser makes beer? You have a theoretical justification for advertisement. If you actually switch on your TV, you will see almost entirely advertisements for products you al…

There are new people born every day. I bet you can find many Millenials who don't know who Elvis was, or The Beatles. Coca-Cola would meet the same fate, if it stopped advertising.

Re: Minimum Viable Personality (2011)

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What are we doing to ourselves? If you were in the market for a new pair of shoes, what would be the sensible thing to do to get the best pair? Would you look at the glitzy ads, or would you try to choose something that is durable and comfortable for its price? Would you compare celebrity endorsements or spec sheets? There's no one in their right mind who would say the right way to buy a computer is to look at advert…

What you're saying makes some sense, but I think you're wrong. I have never nor am I ever likely to read the spec sheet of different shoes to determine which to buy. I don't know what I'd learn by looking at that anyway, I know basically nothing about shoes except how they look and what they feel like on my feet.

I could change that, educate myself about shoe materials and construction, but I choose not to for one simple reason: I can educate myself about literally anything and everything, and I've noticed in my life that where ever I look, there is practically infinite depth and detail, and so I have very carefully choose what to spend my time learning about. Shoes aren't it.

Instead I use heuristics -- I have the finely honed taste in branding and advertising that all westerners have, I can infer from the storefront and typefaces and colors on the box what range of quality a given pair of shoes is. From there I have a manageable selection of like 10 types of shoes I can look at, and from there 3 that I like the look of that I can try on. Occasionally I get burned--shoes that my branding intuitions say should be adequate quality for the price turn out to be shitty. But mostly I get this right and end up with shoes that I like.

A shoe expert has a whole different process, I'm sure. They are in the know about the latest construction trends and who is using them, and know how to source them.

Similarly, when you and I buy a computer we can meaningfully distinguish the details of the hardware we're considering, so we do. But most people can't. They have to use branding heuristics. And you know what? I think they are mostly fine. If someone who knows nothing about computers buys a Dell to check their email because they seem basic and reliable, they are going to do fine for the most part.

And for Apple, "people can change the world" isn't the real message. The real message is the thousands of microscopic heuristics that fire when a product brands using high concepts and slick design. They add up to basically "this is a product I am paying extra for, it will be better than most other things on the market but not exactly value for money, and the support on it will be extra good." Which is a heuristic that basically holds for Apple products (although, recently...?)

So actually when I put a personality on my company I am choosing something for my customers that I actually would choose. I'm building in the heuristics they need to make a decision without being an expert in the domain. And because I'm both not an asshole and don't want to deal with a bunch of anger customers, I am going to try to make those heuristics accurate.

Re: Minimum Viable Personality (2011)

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I love that marketing works, and that people want to believe in values, and will band together over those values. However lately, I've felt that especially in the US, values -- or more accurately -- symbols of values have become more important than actual tangible outcomes or functional real achievements. For people as individuals and as groups. I guess of course that I'm especially thinking about our politics and so…

Think about any movement out there at present -- MeToo, conservative agenda, liberal agenda, organic produce, gentrification, almost any major movement. If you really get into the issue, you find that the symbol of the thing is actually a very, very small almost non-representative case of the situation as a whole.

Also, sometimes the symbol becomes the focus, instead of the actual underlying value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbzSif78qQ

As always the rare, incredible threat dominates our minds so much more than the mundane everyday threat.

It can also more easily go viral. Here's how ordinary, regular people can help. When people start being extreme and a bit divorced from reality and engaging in violence, unsavory almost-violence, and untruthful agenda pushing, people need to call it out, and also call it out from their own sides. It's a failure of calling out one's own side which reads as tacit approval and most strongly gives the false impression to others that the extreme represents the median. Understanding this is one key to understanding why the views of reality diverge so strongly between groups in society in 2019. The tricky part of this, is that to be able to do this, you have to poke your head out of your "side's" information bubble. (If you think your side is 100% in the right, you're not poking hard enough!)

There are forces in society who claim to be championing human rights, but then throw out fundamentals like due process, paint entire groups with a broad brush based on surface characteristics, and engage in the same sort of tactics that the Westboro Baptist Church and the people in the past who tried to exclude Jewish people, blacks, and homosexuals from the mainstream and most valuable parts of society. It's just harder to see, if it's being done on behalf of your own "side."

The real conflict in 2019 is the mainstream vs. the extremes. The extremes actually don't have the same values as the mainstream. The extremes have the advantage of stealth, by re-framing everything in terms of "us vs. them." What they really want is to create more outrage to roll the dice and increase their own power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc

Stop believing so much in symbols.

Start "following the money." Start examining what's happening in terms of how media uses a basic emotion like outrage to go viral. Who benefits?

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