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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Spooky23 »

r00fus wrote: post #513
Spooky23 wrote: post #349

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It’s lying because it’s not an apples to apples comparison. You can buy a similarly equipped Honda Accord for $10k less without all of the Tesla drama.

I really doubt the Accord would have the same acceleration or features as the M3. And it consumes a decent amount of gas which is more expensive than volts. It's more of an apples+cart comparison. It seems shady because they can't know what kind of car you're coming from - so they average it (in their favor).

They choose to be ignorant of it.

The federal government even publishes per mile total costs for most vehicles that makes it fairly trivial to do.

It’s a bullshit metric. They could honestly present the information in a way that looked good for them as well... or even use it as a cross sell for solar.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by LandR »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #441
FreedomToCreate wrote: post #388

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The Auto Loan industry is huge. I would be surprised if more that 20% of the population could pay 35000 cash. Most people less that 40 barely have a liquid cash of 50K. To pull out 35K and regrow that remaining 15K back to 50K would take a year for someone making 100K. Instead you could take a loan which typically go for 3% for good credit, and keep that 50K in a high interest bank account (2% or more) and pay essent…

> Most people less that 40 barely have a liquid cash of 50K. If you're talking about the US, this is the greatest understatement I've seen in some time. I don't have a very good source handy, but for the median American under 40, try more like "$1,000".

> try more like "$1,000".

Wow.

Given your healthcare system and the potential costs of being ill combined with having such a low amount of savings / safety money. Losing your job could potentially terrifying in the US.

How do people live what that level of stress continunally?

I could lose my job tomorrow and live for 4-5 years on savings and I'm not comfortable with that amount and occasionally find myself worrying about my financial situation.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Spooky23 »

gnicholas wrote: post #433
Spooky23 wrote: post #338

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Any car has a delivery fee, around $500 in my state.

I’m curious to know where you are. I think it’s twice that where I am (California). Is this just another way for dealers in different states charge different prices, while maintaining some semblance of uniformity?

Mea culpa.

I recalled this wrong — I looked at the sticker for my car 3 years ago and it was $795. I think $500 was for my previous vehicle, and that was a long long time ago :)

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Sybs »

azhenley wrote: post #372
fivefive55 wrote: post #371

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And now they're getting rid of showrooms, so that isn't really relevant anymore.

They said they would close some. I would expect they will just deliver to their shops then, which are growing rapidly, so likely still relevant.

They're closing all stores. "Shifting to online only worldwide"

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by azhenley »

Sybs wrote: post #624
azhenley wrote: post #372

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They said they would close some. I would expect they will just deliver to their shops then, which are growing rapidly, so likely still relevant.

They're closing all stores. "Shifting to online only worldwide"

From Elon’s memo: “we will be winding down many of our stores”.

It says move all sales to online, but it only says closing many stores.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by goshx »

scarmig wrote: post #205
goshx wrote: post #111

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Solely on the fact that they show the cost of ownership first?

Solely on the fact that they present an imagined "cost of ownership" as the price, yes. It's deceptive enough--and 90% of people who saw that page would say that the costs of the cars are what's listed on the right column, which makes it deceptive--that it leaves a wildly unpleasant taste in my mouth. And, in my case, it's not even close to accurate: I don't own a car right now, and any purchase would be because I ac…

You’d pay for gas if you purchased an ICE instead. This is not a savings compared agaisnt what you did in the past.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

vvanders wrote: post #408
eMSF wrote: post #386

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Not really. Oil changes (in a car comparable in size to Model 3) cost me about 50 USD per 25000 km, or 15000 mi, indeed because the oil is synthetic and fulfills certain criteria. In any case it's a rather insignificant amount compared to fuel costs, especially with fuel taxes as they are. If oil change costs start to add up, there's a significant possibility of you doing something wrong (including the choice of vehi…

Well first off I'd probably never run a 15k interval. Pretty sure that's beyond mfgr spec. We run 7k in our diesel on full synthetic. Stretching a maintenance interval seems pennywise and pound foolish. You also have to consider how much your time is worth of you're changing it yourself to get that cost. Either way it's an added cost(along with transmission, differentials, etc) that you just don't incur on EVs. Right…

My car recommends a 10k interval, and I imagine there's some wiggle room built in to that, so 15k doesn't seem impossible.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Klathmon »

joshfraser wrote: post #458

Interesting to learn they've been artificially handicapping the range, speed and top power via software until now. "We’re also excited to announce that we’re implementing a number of firmware upgrades for both new and existing customers. These upgrades will increase the range of the Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive Model 3 to 325 miles, increase the top speed of Model 3 Performance to 162 mph, and add an average of approx…

While they do limit things in software unless you pay for them, this doesn't sound like one of those cases. It sounds more like they have found out how to safely take more power from the batteries and safely push more power to the motors through software.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by stevenhubertron »

londons_explore wrote: post #575
turtlegrids wrote: post #245

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It's cheaper to Tesla if they "deliver" it at their factory. I took delivery of my Tesla at the Fremont factory. was still forced to pay full delivery fee. insane.

I wonder what an efficient car delivery service could cost? A car transporter carries 11 cars and can drive say 500 miles per day at a cost of $500 per day (including driver, fuel, and vehicle rental). If the average delivery distance from factory to customer is 1500 miles, then transport cost works out to $136. Add to that the 'last mile delivery' which is probably going to involve a $20 per hour employee driving to…

What about profit for the delivery company, a receptionist, insurance, marketing, web developer, logistics software, accountants ... the delivery company need to operate profitably as well.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by auiya »

azhenley wrote: post #365
turtlegrids wrote: post #245

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It's cheaper to Tesla if they "deliver" it at their factory. I took delivery of my Tesla at the Fremont factory. was still forced to pay full delivery fee. insane.

I picked my car up from one of the Tesla showrooms. I did not pay the delivery fee. I was never even given the option to have it delivered.

You did actually. It was built into the price of the car itself.
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