I think this is huge. Those are 'affordable' prices and VW admitted Tesla is way ahead when it comes to range.
$35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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#512Current Tesla Model X owner. Wanted to replace our other car (ICE) with an EV. Sat in the Model 3 for exactly 15 seconds before I said, "Nope!" Never warmed up to the whole "must hit GUI elements on an LCD with my finger while driving" thing Tesla has going on for almost anything you want to do: A/C, headlights, suspension height, whatever. Interior is still second-rate. Steering column adjustment was a joke. The int…
I think if they offered a model 3 "controls package" with a dash or hud + a few dedicated controls, a lot of people would buy it (and therefore buy the model 3).
Also, I think the model 3 steering wheel scrolly button hat things are a little imprecise. Sort of like cheaper mice where you accidentally scroll instead of clicking but with left and right thrown into the mix.
The model S/X steering wheel controls seem a more refined.
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Disagree. Electric vehicles have a very different cost structure than gas vehicles. For vast majority of buyers this will be their first electric vehicle and market education needs to be done. There's 90+ years of gas vehicle culture education to un-do here. Total Cost of Ownership is a legit (and even preferred) way to represent cost in most industries. It's just not common in consumer purchasing. This is a variant…
It’s lying because it’s not an apples to apples comparison. You can buy a similarly equipped Honda Accord for $10k less without all of the Tesla drama.
I really doubt the Accord would have the same acceleration or features as the M3. And it consumes a decent amount of gas which is more expensive than volts.
It's more of an apples+cart comparison. It seems shady because they can't know what kind of car you're coming from - so they average it (in their favor).
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#514This thread is like politics - ignoring the amazing fact that an electric vehicle that can travel 220 miles is 35k (where many hybrids and other electric cars are way over that price point), to discuss the nuances of Tesla’s business model and how they market delivery fees etc. Comical. People 10 years ago would say WTF if they knew a high tech, all electric car with self driving ability was even remotely near 40k(in…
I see that point, but since Tesla has been around for a while now, consumers cannot keep giving them a pass solely because of the technical feats Tesla has achieved. They need to be held to the same criticism from the business standpoint as any other company would be (especially since Tesla is trying to position themselves as a middle-class-friendly option for EVs with the model 3).
I find that viewpoint a bit crazy. The competition has not caught up, in fact Tesla has rocketed ahead (slower than they promised but still).
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#515Earlier quoted context omitted.
Based on your last sentence, you might be ending negotiations too early. An early “bottom-line” ultimatum leaves money on the table because the details haven’t been fully considered by the other party, so (in auto sales) the seller hedges with a higher price. A more thorough discussion can bring down the offer they are willing to accept. You don’t have to care about the details to use them in a negotiation.
I don’t get it - asking ‘can you reduce line item n by x’ is exactly the same thing as ‘can you reduce the bottom line by x’, except the former asks them to do something they may not be able to do (that’s how this conversation started - the delivery fee) and the latter lets them achieve what you want any way they’re able to. So why would you ever use the former approach? It’s strictly worse.
> I don’t get it - asking ‘can you reduce line item n by x’ is exactly the same thing as ‘can you reduce the bottom line by x’
"Can you reduce bottom line by x" is like saying, "the documentation is a bit vague, can you improve it please?"
"Can you reduce line item n by x" is like saying, "there's no way the user could possibly intuit that the sampling period may be truncated to precisely hit the target value after the specified duration. Given that the programming language itself has no specification, this longstanding behavior must be explained clearly in the user docs."
Which response do you suppose will be more likely to lead to an improvement in the docs? It's probably the one that shows evidence you know your domain and how to assess quality there.
Of course, that analogy is the dream. In reality the car salesperson will come back with the reduced line item but with adjustments somewhere else. And it's hard to keep track of because, for example, how would an increase in the down payment affect your idea of the "total bottom line?"
This would be like a developer countering by saying, "Ok, but to clarify that section of the docs I added threading to the event loop." And then every single developer suddenly becomes some kind of darkworld saboteur, and you finally give in by saying, "I guess this is just how software gets made..."
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#516Earlier quoted context omitted.
And range, for that matter. The # of miles you get off a tank of gas is not a highly-surfaced metric for vehicles. It's certainly not in the trim level name. You always have to dig into the detailed stats to find it.
Perhaps, but range is not a huge concern for most vehicles: Range rarely differs significantly between trim levels and all are generally 300+ miles. Tesla's specifically dividing their trims by range, but chose to use "standard range", "standard range plus", "long range", etc. instead of just telling us the range. And their "standard" range is well below the standard range of an average car.
It is good for an electric car though. Do people really buy based on summary description, or do they use that to pick a starting place to learn more? It is a big purchase.
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if you are financing an (entry level) luxury car, you are doing something wrong.
How do you figure? I've been financing a car at ~3% interest for the past 4 years. My investments have returned triple that over the same period.
Those investments are not zero risk though. I don’t disagree with the general point but suggesting you should take a loan if the rate is less than the S&P return for the past year is questionable.
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“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…
This is very good advice to keep in mind, but it's not Tesla's fault if the credit reporting agencies are terrible.
Given they don't allow test drives, they should try to come up with a smart solution - perhaps partnering with a financial institution?
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#519But why only in US? Will there be price drop in rest of the world?
Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
#520"To achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable, Tesla is shifting sales worldwide to online only. You can now buy a Tesla in North America via your phone in about 1 minute, and that capability will soon be extended worldwide. We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. You can now return a car within 7 days or 1,000 miles for…
“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…
If you want to test drive a Tesla, I recommend going to a supercharger, finding someone with a car configured like what you're interested in, and talking to that person.
Even after hundreds of thousands of Model 3s have been sold, I still get nods from other Tesla drivers and chat with people at superchargers.