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It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.
It actually understates the savings, since it only captures the Federal credit. CA gives out $2500 extra AND carpool stickers (admittedly more valuable than the tax credit)
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Does it matter to the victim who is at fault? ...also, there's a $1,200 delivery fee. Is this the new "restock fee"? it is conveniently left out of the marketing materials.
Cars have always had delivery fees. Delivering something that weighs several tons is not cheap.
Even if that wasn't the case when you go to a dealership that delivery cost is part of the price. Claiming the car is $35,000 when it's literally impossible to buy it for that is a bit misleading.
This is kind of infuriating. I just took delivery of my AWD Long Range end of December and $3000 less even when you take into consideration my tax credit. And to top it off, the RWD Long Range and Performance are getting firmware updates that give them extra speed (in the case of Performance) or range (in the case of RWD) but mine is getting... "about a 5% increase in power" whatever that means. I get paying extra to…
I think when making purchases, it's helpful to be able to ask "is this a fair trade for me right now?" If it's no, don't get it. If it's yes, then when you complain to yourself or feel that you've been treated unfairly, the 2nd voice in your head should be saying "this was a fair deal that you chose to accept, be happy with it, don't be envious of better deals offered to others."
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Does it matter to the victim who is at fault? ...also, there's a $1,200 delivery fee. Is this the new "restock fee"? it is conveniently left out of the marketing materials.
Cars have always had delivery fees. Delivering something that weighs several tons is not cheap.
"To achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable, Tesla is shifting sales worldwide to online only. You can now buy a Tesla in North America via your phone in about 1 minute, and that capability will soon be extended worldwide. We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. You can now return a car within 7 days or 1,000 miles for…
I would never buy something without a test drive. No level of return policy will be good enough.
Does this have something to do with the decision of the owners of Tesla's convertible bonds if to get back cash or shares? https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-to-pay-march-convertib... I mean that maybe if the bond owners see that Tesla is (really?) about to deliver the 35k model they'll opt less for cash and more for stocks? (therefore Tesla would have less problems with liquidity)
No. The only factor is the convert price vs the stock price. If the stock price is lower, they will just take the cash and buy the stock on the open market at a better price.
Interesting to point out that the $35k is the full price, which goes down when additional discounts are applied. If you get the short range model with no options, it starts out at $35k, then goes down all the way to $24,950 after including the $3,750 Federal tax credit, $2,000 New York EV rebate (clearly it's geolocating by IP address here), and "$4,300 estimated 6 year gas savings". OK, so that last bit is BS, and i…
The gas savings is definitely shady. But including the federal tax credits and destination fee is fair I think. As far as I'm aware, no auto maker includes the destination/docs/handling fee in the MSRP. The Tesla fee amount is comparable to other automakers also (it's on the high side at $1,200; but it's not too different from Toyota's $930 and Honda's $920). Presuming your location due to geolocation is a bit too fa…
I agree that quoting a single figure here is misleading.
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Is this what you are talking about? https://mazdasla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Mazda-Proteg...
That's their modern one, Mazda 3 (oddly enough). I was kind of joking with my original comment, because this was an economy car--but it actually is a nice design: http://gtcarlot.com/data/Mazda/Protege/1999/12552040/Dashboa...
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> buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics. But only if you arbitrarily include the difference in fuel costs, which makes Tesla look cheaper, and exclude the differences in insurance and maintenance costs, which make Tesla look more expensive.
Those things are all analyzed in these overall ownership models. That's the whole point the those things. And of course you have to include full cost, ICE can not run without it, and most people want to drive their car. Of course these are avg numbers and you have to do it with your personal driving numbers and how long you want to keep the car to get a more detailed picture of the cost. However overall, pretty much…