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$35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by saberience »

natch wrote: post #283
BoorishBears wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I drove a Model S. None of my cars is a Model S. I remember the “salesperson” talking about how quiet it was as wind noise whistled through the cabin like we were in a Corolla. The A4 I was driving at the time was immensely quieter at highway speeds but I nodded and played along. I’m convinced the aspirational status of Teslas means people who haven’t experienced actual luxury vechicles are buying into the hype that…

You have a valid point about inexperienced owners but the car (more premium Model 3s) has been favorably compared with a BMW M3 in a similar price range, by people who know premium cars well, and they have called it a toss-up just on driving feel alone. Which has a totally different character in the two cars but both fantastic. That’s without even taking into account cost of ownership, auto pilot features, safety, be…

More favorably compared by who? I’ve sat in model 3,s, and x, and when compared with similar priced BMW or Mercs, there is a massive difference in interior luxury and comfort. Seriously, go and experience being inside a 100k 7 series bmw to a 100k model s. It’s like night and day in comparison. The Tesla’s always feel cheap in comparison. The handling, road noise, luxury features, seat comfort, etc are all inferior in Tesla cars.

Also, Tesla know this themselves! Elon admits that Teslas are overpriced and that current buyers are subsidizing future buyers as they scale up. Also, a friend of mine used to be the manager of a major Tesla delivery center. He said the quality control was terrible and they had tons of cars with paint and panel issues. In fact he said bad paint jobs was one of their biggest source of problems.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by wil421 »

>At the same time, we will be increasing our investment in the Tesla service system, with the goal of same-day, if not same-hour service, and with most service done by us coming to you, rather than you coming to us. Moreover, we guarantee service availability anywhere in any country in which we operate.

Next Tesla 2021 newsflash, we will continue to operate service centers but in order to reduce costs further we will no longer be able to come to you.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by treve »

BoorishBears wrote: post #136
BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #37

"To achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable, Tesla is shifting sales worldwide to online only. You can now buy a Tesla in North America via your phone in about 1 minute, and that capability will soon be extended worldwide. We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. You can now return a car within 7 days or 1,000 miles for…

“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…

Maybe don't take out a 60K loan for a luxury item? I understand a car is essential for some people, but 60K is a very expensive one.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by 1123581321 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #400
sriram_sun wrote: post #267

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Oh yes you have. Every dealer everywhere charges a "Destination Fee." That is what you pay for delivery to the dealer's. That line item for the price of the car is non-negotiable. There is wiggle room on MSRP etc. This was the first google result that came up for "car destination fee" :- A "destination charge" is a fee that the manufacturer charges to deliver a vehicle from the factory to the dealership, and that is…

Why would anyone want to negotiate individual line items rather than just negotiating on the final bottom-line price? Why would I care if I'm reducing the destination fee or the actual price? What difference does it make to me?

The line items usually come up when negotiating the final price. It’s hard to avoid discussing the details unless one party has a string negotiating position and highly values minimal communication.

As to why you’d want to: if you ask someone to quote bottom line, and they do, then you can start picking their line items apart to go lower. Or if you quote high, you can use line items as justification for it to some buyers.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by gwbas1c »

donarb wrote: post #404
almost_usual wrote: post #359

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"This is 2019," he said. "People want to buy things online." But he added that franchise-dealer opposition would be a violation of interstate commerce, and that is unconstitutional. "Good luck with that," Musk said. Sounds like Musk likes to pick and choose the laws he follows. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-is-eliminating-most-of...

Middlemen help you buy a car from competing dealers. Buying only from Tesla means you can’t negotiate for a better price.

The US is the only country that follows this scheme, and it's only certain manufacturers that let their franchises get away with that.

Next time try buying a Honda or a Subaru. There's almost no wiggle-room in price.

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Post by camel_gopher »

chrisseaton wrote: post #397
smolsky wrote: post #280

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It's cheap in NorCal - my friend had a Model 3 delivered by a dude. Literally. A dude drove his car to his house and then called Uber. P.S. by "dude" I meant that the man just drove the car to the owner's place from their Fremont factory (30 min).

How else would you deliver a car? Not sure what point you're trying to make?

You would download it, obviously

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by chrisseaton »

1123581321 wrote: post #424
chrisseaton wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone want to negotiate individual line items rather than just negotiating on the final bottom-line price? Why would I care if I'm reducing the destination fee or the actual price? What difference does it make to me?

The line items usually come up when negotiating the final price. It’s hard to avoid discussing the details unless one party has a string negotiating position and highly values minimal communication. As to why you’d want to: if you ask someone to quote bottom line, and they do, then you can start picking their line items apart to go lower. Or if you quote high, you can use line items as justification for it to some bu…

> then you can start picking their line items apart to go lower

But why? If I want a lower price I don’t care where they have to shave it from to do that do I? I don’t care about how they’ve arrived at a price or how it’s accounted for if I just want it be lower.

I say I want that price to be lower in order for me to buy and they say yes or no depending on if it’s worth it for them.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by bigtex »

craftyguy wrote: post #410
blhack wrote: post #406

I just absolutely do not understand how "if you don't like it just return it" is a replacement for a test drive. Unwinding an auto loan, getting back your traded-in vehicle, etc. All of this seems non-trivial to me. Carvana does the same thing (in fact: they already are doing the whole "buy the car online, return if you don't like it, we deliver to your house" model).

> Unwinding an auto loan, They could pay it off immediately for you? > getting back your traded-in vehicle, They could give you the cash value of it? Also, does Tesla even accept trade-ins? > etc. What else?

Tesla is having a terrible time paying off loans and even processing loans so I would not put too much faith in that.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by 1123581321 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #428
1123581321 wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The line items usually come up when negotiating the final price. It’s hard to avoid discussing the details unless one party has a string negotiating position and highly values minimal communication. As to why you’d want to: if you ask someone to quote bottom line, and they do, then you can start picking their line items apart to go lower. Or if you quote high, you can use line items as justification for it to some bu…

> then you can start picking their line items apart to go lower But why? If I want a lower price I don’t care where they have to shave it from to do that do I? I don’t care about how they’ve arrived at a price or how it’s accounted for if I just want it be lower. I say I want that price to be lower in order for me to buy and they say yes or no depending on if it’s worth it for them.

Based on your last sentence, you might be ending negotiations too early. An early “bottom-line” ultimatum leaves money on the table because the details haven’t been fully considered by the other party, so (in auto sales) the seller hedges with a higher price.

A more thorough discussion can bring down the offer they are willing to accept. You don’t have to care about the details to use them in a negotiation.

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