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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by sjg007 »

intopieces wrote: post #166
BoorishBears wrote: post #136

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“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…

Were you denied a loan from the same institution that issued the first one? I can't imagine a credit union turning down the same customer they just approved because 'computer says no.' I'm not sure that Tesla is saying you can't test drive it. There are other ways to evangelize the car and let people test drive it, ones that don't involve massive rents in premium retail spaces. Toyota brings the Mirai to my local Far…

Probably did manufacturer financing.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by alasdair_ »

BoorishBears wrote: post #277
hutzlibu wrote: post #265

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"In summary, Tesla is essentially saying “you can’t test drive it but if you don’t like it you can cancel your car search for a few months and ding your credit score for nothing”" Where do they say that? On the site is a big "Test drive" button which goes to https://www.tesla.com/drive which, I asume, will let me test drive a Tesla. Without Buying.

They're closing their stores... When I requested a test drive in a state with no dealerships I was directed to a store out of state. These stores will no longer exist. The messaging is also very clear, sometimes it’s ok to read between the lines... We’re closing stores where you test drive + we’re pushing returns hard in the marketing = we want to move past test drives This is a new annocument, other parts of the sit…

>They're closing their stores...

Does this include their dealerships? There are plenty of dealerships that offer test drives.

EDIT: I assumed that the "stores" were the places in malls etc. that don't have (say) a whole bunch of machinery for the service center etc.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by natch »

BoorishBears wrote: post #251
natch wrote: post #191

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Once you drive it, you are not going to want to return it, so all this is moot for most people.

I drove a Model S. None of my cars is a Model S. I remember the “salesperson” talking about how quiet it was as wind noise whistled through the cabin like we were in a Corolla. The A4 I was driving at the time was immensely quieter at highway speeds but I nodded and played along. I’m convinced the aspirational status of Teslas means people who haven’t experienced actual luxury vechicles are buying into the hype that…

You have a valid point about inexperienced owners but the car (more premium Model 3s) has been favorably compared with a BMW M3 in a similar price range, by people who know premium cars well, and they have called it a toss-up just on driving feel alone. Which has a totally different character in the two cars but both fantastic. That’s without even taking into account cost of ownership, auto pilot features, safety, beast mode AWD, or energy sustainability.

If you do take even some of those factors into account, it’s a no brainer.

For wind noise it’s not the best, but in many other aspects it’s far ahead.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by selimthegrim »

sriram_sun wrote: post #267
gamblor956 wrote: post #260

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I have never once paid a delivery fee for a new car. I do not know anyone who has bought a non-luxury car that has paid a delivery fee for a car. OTOH, I do know many people who paid delivery fees for customized luxury cars. The $35k Model 3, however, is not a luxury car and is barely customizable, even to the extent of available add-on packages.

Oh yes you have. Every dealer everywhere charges a "Destination Fee." That is what you pay for delivery to the dealer's. That line item for the price of the car is non-negotiable. There is wiggle room on MSRP etc. This was the first google result that came up for "car destination fee" :- A "destination charge" is a fee that the manufacturer charges to deliver a vehicle from the factory to the dealership, and that is…

This is typically on the order of $300-500 though

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Lapsed »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #253
nickik wrote: post #208

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I don't think they currently had to do this, they have just started delivery in Europe and China and there is significant demand for the higher priced models so that they could continue to do this. I see it more as them wanting to show again that they could build up a huge order backlog as that something that pretty much no other car company can do. That would help them with the market and potential future loans.

Demand has collapsed in the US for model 3 and looks incredibly weak in Europe and China at this point. There is no reason for this across the board price cut other than weak demand.

Where are you getting this from?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by smolsky »

sriram_sun wrote: post #267
gamblor956 wrote: post #260

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I have never once paid a delivery fee for a new car. I do not know anyone who has bought a non-luxury car that has paid a delivery fee for a car. OTOH, I do know many people who paid delivery fees for customized luxury cars. The $35k Model 3, however, is not a luxury car and is barely customizable, even to the extent of available add-on packages.

Oh yes you have. Every dealer everywhere charges a "Destination Fee." That is what you pay for delivery to the dealer's. That line item for the price of the car is non-negotiable. There is wiggle room on MSRP etc. This was the first google result that came up for "car destination fee" :- A "destination charge" is a fee that the manufacturer charges to deliver a vehicle from the factory to the dealership, and that is…

...and yet I managed to knock the price down by 5K and 2K off MSRP when I bought my last 2 vehicles. So this destination charge is often a moot point with regular car brands/dealers.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by dmode »

saberience wrote: post #254
dmode wrote: post #148

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Try buying a BMW with the $328/mo lease that they advertise every day. Tesla is waaaay less shady than any car maker. Their base model comes in with a LOT of features that other car makers will nickel and dime you to death. Example, LED lights.

Errr what? The base Tesla comes with almost no features at all.

Try test driving a BMW 320i

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by steelframe »

mrfusion wrote: post #220
vvanders wrote: post #129

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Yup, I was spending $400/mo on gas which is now close to $50/mo before you figure in oil change costs. Quite a few cars/trucks run synthetic these days which can really start adding up.

But how much are you going to pay to replace the battery?

There's tons of data on EV batteries from the past 5+ years. At least for Tesla, battery degradation is not a problem.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by smolsky »

brianwawok wrote: post #271
BoorishBears wrote: post #251

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I drove a Model S. None of my cars is a Model S. I remember the “salesperson” talking about how quiet it was as wind noise whistled through the cabin like we were in a Corolla. The A4 I was driving at the time was immensely quieter at highway speeds but I nodded and played along. I’m convinced the aspirational status of Teslas means people who haven’t experienced actual luxury vechicles are buying into the hype that…

Though a model 3 does not compete with an A4, it competes with a Honda Civic or similar...

Not really, a Civic starts at 20K in the USA.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Pfhreak »

Judgmentality wrote: post #230
natch wrote: post #191

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Once you drive it, you are not going to want to return it, so all this is moot for most people.

I tested one years ago (not the model 3) and hated it. There are plenty of people who don't want to own a Tesla even when cost isn't a factor.

Why would those people buy one though? The parent's comment was that people who purchase the car are unlikely to want to return it after driving it.

They were not saying, everyone who drives one will want to buy one.

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