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This is very good advice to keep in mind, but it's not Tesla's fault if the credit reporting agencies are terrible.
Does it matter to the victim who is at fault? ...also, there's a $1,200 delivery fee. Is this the new "restock fee"? it is conveniently left out of the marketing materials.
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They manufacture their own batteries in their Gigafactory outside of Reno, NV. They make more Li Ion batteries than any other battery manufacturer. Their batteries cost less than $2.50. https://electrek.co/2018/11/20/tesla-gigafactory-battery-cel...
I can’t easily find a description of how this partnership works, but I think “Panasonic makes batteries in Tesla’s building, and Tesla packs them together for use in their cars” is a better description. If so, I would expect at least some of that better margin will flow into Panasonic’s pockets (what part, I wouldn’t dare even guess)
I'm confused about the return policy, on the glossy ordering web site it say 7 days / 1000 miles, but on the T&C page it says 3 days / 500 miles. It's an interesting policy regardless. In sounds like it's pretty much 'no questions asked'. Any experiences with this?
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They've been doing that for a long time, trying to explain in TCO terms instead of sticker price. It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale.
>It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale. “Somewhat misleading”? Acting as though money saved on gas reduces your purchase price somehow is just straight up lying. The car still costs $35k when you sign on the dotted line, gas costs don’t factor into that at all. If you want to talk how much it’ll cost you after n years of ownership, talking about gas costs is perfectly valid. Purchase price th…
In British Columbia you can get $5k incentive for an electric vehicle plus $5k if you destroy your ICE car. I believe you need to own it for 6 months So about $36k net CAD for the base Model 3
Why... would that make sense? We want to shift away from ICE but destroying existing cars is clearly illogical...
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Its shady, but its not hypothetical, having owned a Model S for 4 years, I’ve saved a ton on fuel.
By that standard, they should also incorporate an amortized cost of battery replacement in the price.
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Yes, it is. For Tesla it means, that they made up to their promise given when introducing the Model 3. Tesla has gotten a lot of critique after the Model 3 deliveries where much later than initially expected and the available versions much more expensive then the promised base price. Offering now a Model 3 for that base price should win them a lot of credibility back. For the consumer it means, that the cheapest Tesl…
Waiting times for the competition? What are you talking about? I bought a Bolt EV off a dealer lot over a year ago, and the entire transaction took about 30 minutes. The car was $25,000 after incentives ($37K MSRP -> $35k Actual, 7.5k Fed Tax Credit, 2.5k State Credit). The Bolt can reliably go 240 miles on a charge, mine has had zero issues or service visits in 35k miles of driving. Also, it's made by GM which is a…
Run by true Scotsmen, I'm sure.
It currently costs about $2.50 to manufacture a battery cell. There are 7,700 cells in a standard battery pack. That’s $19,250 in cells before battery pack assembly. I don’t know how they are making money on this. I’m inclined to believe they’re losing money, or someone is somewhere in the line. Maybe they expect those battery costs to decline rapidly in the near future? What do you think?
Tesla's long rumored price point is $100/kWh ( https://insideevs.com/tesla-cheapest-battery-pack-costs/ ) and these cars are presumably 60kWh, so ~$6k for the battery.
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>It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale. “Somewhat misleading”? Acting as though money saved on gas reduces your purchase price somehow is just straight up lying. The car still costs $35k when you sign on the dotted line, gas costs don’t factor into that at all. If you want to talk how much it’ll cost you after n years of ownership, talking about gas costs is perfectly valid. Purchase price th…
Disagree. Electric vehicles have a very different cost structure than gas vehicles. For vast majority of buyers this will be their first electric vehicle and market education needs to be done. There's 90+ years of gas vehicle culture education to un-do here. Total Cost of Ownership is a legit (and even preferred) way to represent cost in most industries. It's just not common in consumer purchasing. This is a variant…
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I think they both deserve credit, in reality returning a 30 thousand dollar object is never going to be smooth. The finance has already written you a check, they’ve already done all this leg work. You’ve already driven it, if you’re purchasing it in earnest you might have already invested in charging infrastructure for your home, a whole laundry list of friction. Then there’s what happens to the car you returned. I w…
Once you drive it, you are not going to want to return it, so all this is moot for most people.