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Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)

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Immediately used 160MB upon starting the program. Firefox is lean compared to that.

A random number like that is pretty useless. Opera has dynamic handling of RAM, so if you have a lot of it, it will use more. If you have less, it will use less.

I'm guessing you have at least 1-2 GB RAM.

Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)

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I guess you have to credit Opera for sticking it out this long, years after they dropped off the radar of basically everybody. I just checked for a few of my sites, and I'm seeing about 1.3% of my visitors using Opera. I keep hearing that their mobile browser is big, but it seems that nobody has ever visited any of my sites using it. The one thing I always liked about Opera as a developer is that they used IE as thei…

> I guess you have to credit Opera for sticking it out this long, years after they dropped off the radar of basically everybody.

I don't get it. They were never on the radar. They are now. They've got more than 140 million users.

> I keep hearing that their mobile browser is big, but it seems that nobody has ever visited any of my sites using it.

It has 1/4 of the mobile browser market, and mobile browsing is expected to be bigger than PCs in a couple of years (it's actually growing that fast).

Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! Thanks for that. I really need to break the habit of assuming the world follows US patterns because Google, Silicon Valley, etc are in the US.

Also Germany, Scandinavia and parts of Japan I have found uses this browser. Europe more in percent than America. I am not sure why this is. If any one knows or guesses, I would be curious to find out.

For one thing, it's a Norwegian company, which explains its popularity in Scandinavia, and could mean more focus and expertise on internationalization. Second, some of its features are more suited to Eastern European markets. Computers tend to be older and cheaper, and Opera works well in low-CPU/low-memory environments[1]. Many connections are still on dial-up, and many ISPs charge by the megabyte, and Opera has a number of options for saving bandwidth, like disabling images or using a proxy compression server. These advantages are probably less important nowadays than 5 or 10 years ago, but by now it's an established player, which helps.

[1] On machines with lots of RAM it tends to be a memory hog, but it works perfectly fine in tighter environments. They claim their memory strategy changes depending on local conditions.

Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)

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post #41

Immediately used 160MB upon starting the program. Firefox is lean compared to that.

You can manually set the memory cache in Preferences.

I figure that unused RAM is wasted RAM. If I've got 4GB of RAM and all that caching allows to browse faster (going back a page in Opera is lightening fast), then I applaud it.

Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)

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post #55
post #41

Immediately used 160MB upon starting the program. Firefox is lean compared to that.

You can manually set the memory cache in Preferences. I figure that unused RAM is wasted RAM. If I've got 4GB of RAM and all that caching allows to browse faster (going back a page in Opera is lightening fast), then I applaud it.

I like getting downvoted for not knowing the minutia of a program's memory handling. Thanks, people.

To Osiris: Given I'm not aware of that 150+ MB being dynamic, I assume that's 150MB I'm not getting back if and when I need it. I play memory-eating video games and use VMs; 150MB for a web browser looks like a lot when you've got to trim the fat off your running processes.

Does Opera reduce its memory footprint when you are low on RAM?

Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)

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post #28

Scores only 179 on html5test.com. Chrome dev: 241, Webkit nightly: 243, Firefox 4 beta: 217

HTML5Test doesn't pay too much attention to stuff like SVG, which is Opera's strong point. One area where opera is lagging behind is webGL support and that reflects on the tests.

SVG is not HTML5…

Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)

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post #47

Scores only 179 on html5test.com. Chrome dev: 241, Webkit nightly: 243, Firefox 4 beta: 217

That site isn't very useful since it only reflects what the author thinks is important. It doesn't show actual standards compliance. He chooses tests and assigns scores according to his own priorities. So it's misleading to call it "html5test."

Scores are based on the number of features supported. What's wrong about it?

Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)

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I guess you have to credit Opera for sticking it out this long, years after they dropped off the radar of basically everybody. I just checked for a few of my sites, and I'm seeing about 1.3% of my visitors using Opera. I keep hearing that their mobile browser is big, but it seems that nobody has ever visited any of my sites using it. The one thing I always liked about Opera as a developer is that they used IE as thei…

Opera exists on the basis of the superb mobile browsers - Opera Mobile and _especially_ Opera Mini. (there was a previous post about this http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1882753)

In India, where smartphone penetration has just started, pretty much Opera Mini is defacto here. Especially with the cheap, underpowered Chinese smartphones which come pre-installed with Opera Mini.

In fact, a significant percentage of Nokia phones out here are preinstalled with Opera Mini (or Opera Mobile). I'm pretty sure there is a per-device licensing that is making money for them.

Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(disclaimer: Opera Employee, Core QA) If you are having problems with javascript in Opera, I would really like to hear about them so that they can be fixed. There is a bug report form at [1], or reply here. Obviously it is nice if you have a reduced testcase, but just knowing that a site fails is immensely useful. [1] https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/

http://groups.google.com/group/google-maps-js-api-v3/browse_... http://www.questionhub.com/StackOverflow/3899985 Aggressive opera caching and different behavior from others browsers is not what I like.

http://www.questionhub.com/StackOverflow/3899985

This is a known issue. No promises, but it looks like a fix might be ready sooner rather than later.

http://groups.google.com/group/google-maps-js-api-v3/browse_...

It's not instantly obvious to me what the problem is here, so I will need to investigate further.

Thanks for the bug reports!

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