Immediately used 160MB upon starting the program. Firefox is lean compared to that.
Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
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Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
#42Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sympathetic to the argument that hiding information is counter-educational. But nothing exists in a vacuum. There are serious problems to deal with, too. I suspect the concern is phishing. Consider: hxxp://mc564.mail.yahooo.cz/mc/welcome?.gx=1&.tm=1290173262&.rand=8a8hcjme2nb60#_pg=showMessage& sMid=13&&filterBy=&.rand=1020435964&midIndex=13&mid=1_41637_AFNv%2FNgAARb0TMWfVwycxVDDYoo&fromId=sendreceive@iso50.com&m…
All modern browsers deal with phising without destroying information; just alert the user that the site they're visiting is not what it claims to be. If users don't look at the address bar and don't understand urls, how are they going to tell something is amiss when they visit the following domains (all available at the time of writing): - gnail.fr - gnail.me - gmail.se.com - gmail.uk.net - yahooo.uk.com - yahooo.eu.…
Hiding part of the URL is what every browser currently does, when the URL gets long enough. Does that count as "destroying information?" The Opera alpha shows the whole URL when you click on the address field.
I think I'd be more likely to notice typos like "yahooo" or "gnail" with the new display method, without the noise of a thousand-character URL surrounding them. That is by no means the be-all and end-all of anti-phishing technology. It's just giving me one more chance to see something that might be amiss.
Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
#44I guess you have to credit Opera for sticking it out this long, years after they dropped off the radar of basically everybody. I just checked for a few of my sites, and I'm seeing about 1.3% of my visitors using Opera. I keep hearing that their mobile browser is big, but it seems that nobody has ever visited any of my sites using it. The one thing I always liked about Opera as a developer is that they used IE as thei…
Opera has decent market share in central and eastern Europe. In Ukraine and Russia it's huge: http://clear.com.ua/projects/ee_browsers/?ukraine
Wow! Thanks for that. I really need to break the habit of assuming the world follows US patterns because Google, Silicon Valley, etc are in the US.
Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
This feature evokes unpleasant memories of Microsofts decision to hide file extensions and all the pain which came because of this. The only good news is that you can deactivate the feature in your preferences.
Too bad you can't do that in Chrome.
I keep a patched version of Chromium around for that very reason. All you have to do is change one line in the sources. I'll dig up the patch and send it to you once I get back on a real computer.
Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Opera has decent market share in central and eastern Europe. In Ukraine and Russia it's huge: http://clear.com.ua/projects/ee_browsers/?ukraine
Wow! Thanks for that. I really need to break the habit of assuming the world follows US patterns because Google, Silicon Valley, etc are in the US.
Also Germany, Scandinavia and parts of Japan I have found uses this browser. Europe more in percent than America. I am not sure why this is. If any one knows or guesses, I would be curious to find out.
Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
#47Scores only 179 on html5test.com. Chrome dev: 241, Webkit nightly: 243, Firefox 4 beta: 217
That site isn't very useful since it only reflects what the author thinks is important. It doesn't show actual standards compliance. He chooses tests and assigns scores according to his own priorities. So it's misleading to call it "html5test."
Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
#48Still waiting for news: Opera xx - now we support google services!
Google can't even get Chrome to work on all their own services. How can you expect them to support Opera?
Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
#49That address field feature is a cool idea. I'd expect other browsers "copying" it soon, which would make it another item on a list entitled "Invented by Opera, popularized by others".
I don't understand what you find "cool": not showing protocol, not showing query parameters, or both? > Parameters at the end of web addresses are visually hidden when the address field is not focused I think those are terrible, terrible ideas; to the best of my knowledge this behavior was pioneered by Chrome and is now growing like a cancer, under the false premise that "non-technical users don't understand urls". H…
Why should people have to understand URLs? Do most people understand how the engine of a car works? No. They just want to get from A to B. Most people don't care.
Hiding query parameters hides yet another thing that's mostly unreadable anyway.
Comparing this to "young people don't understand words" is quite silly. Printed words are important. The message is important. And in fact, language is constantly being simplified, and has been simplified throughout history. Just like the address bar in Opera is now simplified.
Re: Opera 11 - new and improved (Alpha)
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Huh? I don't have any problems with Gmail under Opera. As for the "who downvoted" I guess it was someone who thinks that it's Google that should be blamed for most of "the problems" with Google's services under Opera. It's a browser that's very standard compliant and yet they don't even let you do such silly thing as changing background image on Google's front page (and of course it works fine if only you mask Opera…
Let me disagree here. Although Opera is positioned itself as standard compliant, it has many issues with javascript. Some functions are working incorrectly, some just not working, some events firing, some not. Right click is disabled too.. I'm not against Opera, but we should think about stuffs above. Regarding Google - google making their money from adverts, from people who using google. Do you really think that goo…
> Although Opera is positioned itself as standard compliant, it has many issues with javascript.
I would have to disagree. Some people keep claiming that, but they can never seem to provide any evidence that Opera has more problems than other browsers.