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EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by adrianN »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #24
izacus wrote: post #4

Huh? If anything, the reform codifies systems like Content ID and makes it horribly expensive to compete with Google and Facebook. And all that to cater to US copyright industry - a fine example of EU shooting itself in the foot.

All we need now is an independent content id system that companies might use to check content against. Doing nothing will leave this to the wrong parties to implement and turn into a control point. IMHO a simple open platform could allow content creators to register their content. Anyone could then choose to check content id against such a platform. In case of conflicts, that platform would be the place to resolve th…

The problem with automated systems is that they can't distinguish between copyright infringement and legitimate use, for example for satire.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by mancerayder »

porpoisely wrote: post #16

This is what I despise about "news". If this was china or russia or venezuela, etc, the headline would be "China tightens grip on their people" or "International community concerned as China becomes more authoritarian" or "Pro freedom activists protest against China's draconian censorship". It would be spun as something more ominous than "reform". But reuters being reuters and also a major supporter of censorship, of…

But reuters being reuters and also a major supporter of censorship, of course spins it in a pro-censorship manner.

That's too bold of a claim to just toss in there leisurely. Surely you should feel some degree of need to qualify that statement.

"Supporter of censorship"? How does this become the top comment?

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by adrianN »

Dahoon wrote: post #25
hannasanarion wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair use exists. This law makes it illegal to use clips of a movie in critiquing it, or cut snippets of images to form a collage, or point to examples of art, film, and music in an educational setting. Copyright was never intended to be pervasive and absolute. Copyright is supposed to protect the commercial potential of the original work by keeping people from making copies that supplant the market for the original,…

No it does not. This is the GDPR discussion all over again. "This will kill the internet" and "All sites will be subscription only" etc. I'm not for the proposed law but it does not does not block fair use.

The law doesn't block fair use, but the only way for content platforms to be compliant is rampant overfiltering which will kill fair use.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #23

Does anyone have a link to the actual law? All I can find are news stories with too little information.

Nobody complaining about the law has actually read the law. Julia Reda doesn't want you to read the law she's opposed to, she wants you to be opposed to it based on the "link tax" and "upload filter" nicknames that have been coined for it.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by Brotkrumen »

microcolonel wrote: post #37
izacus wrote: post #4

Huh? If anything, the reform codifies systems like Content ID and makes it horribly expensive to compete with Google and Facebook. And all that to cater to US copyright industry - a fine example of EU shooting itself in the foot.

> ...makes it horribly expensive to compete with Google and Facebook And despite this, YouTube thinks that even their incredibly sophisticated rights management system is too lenient to comply with Article 13 and not be subject to immense damages.

ContentID won't be enough, but google has the finances to get a blanked license with most distributors. Anything not from those distributors will be blocked.

That's a feature, not a bug. Perfectly as intended because now Google has to pay for a license from Springer.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by billfruit »

duxup wrote: post #49
porpoisely wrote: post #16

This is what I despise about "news". If this was china or russia or venezuela, etc, the headline would be "China tightens grip on their people" or "International community concerned as China becomes more authoritarian" or "Pro freedom activists protest against China's draconian censorship". It would be spun as something more ominous than "reform". But reuters being reuters and also a major supporter of censorship, of…

I feel like headline bickering is endless. But I also think there is a lot of difference between even draconian copyright laws.... and China, Russia, Venezuela.... Same goes for laws enacted by democratic governments who have free press, independent courts, etc. Your comparisons seem hardly 1:1.

I think his point is not about comparison, but of the media putting a 'spin' on the way a news item is presented to make it more in line with their own entrenched positions, and the ethicality of their doing it.

Even considering the huge uproar about fake news, etc that the media is crying hoarse over, they seem reluctant to reform their own practices like reductive and sensationalist head line writing, and change to a more plainspeaking reportage.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by flexie »

wbxrs wrote: post #34
flexie wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't frame this as a free speech issue. Freedom of speech is as protected in the EU as it is in the US, possibly more. Freedom of speech in Europe is not just an EU question, but also - and mainly - up to constitutions and legislation of the member states. So of course it varies. But there is less surveillance in Europe on what citizens say online, European media is less centralized than American, there are more par…

>Don't frame this as a free speech issue. Freedom of speech is as protected in the EU as it is in the US, possibly more. Yeah, no. This (blasphemy laws) would be unthinkable in the US: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/its-not-fr...

Again, Europe is many different legal systems, and blasphemy laws are not everywhere. I don't like that limitation to freedom of speech anymore than you, but all countries, including the US have limitations such as libel, slander, pornography, obscenity, etc.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by Brotkrumen »

hannasanarion wrote: post #20
xorand wrote: post #9

Create. Produce original content. Keep the copyright. Don't consume canned content.

Fair use exists. This law makes it illegal to use clips of a movie in critiquing it, or cut snippets of images to form a collage, or point to examples of art, film, and music in an educational setting. Copyright was never intended to be pervasive and absolute. Copyright is supposed to protect the commercial potential of the original work by keeping people from making copies that supplant the market for the original,…

> This law makes it illegal to use clips of a movie in critiquing it, or cut snippets of images to form a collage, or point to examples of art, film, and music in an educational setting

Not quite. This law makes it prohibitively expensive to host content like that. The effect is the same, but from a PR standpoint its a huge difference.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by isostatic »

beezischillin wrote: post #3

This is sad and disgusting, our speech is being limited completely unfairly and without our consent and we're being told that it's a good thing. The fact that they're trying to package it as some sort of well-deserved revenge against silicon valley big tech is just tasteless. The EU's big gripe against these companies is their tax situation, if they really wanted to change that then they'd be looking into a unified a…

6 of the 8 MEPs representing me have consented to it.

Are you in favour of direct democracy on every single vote of every single law at every single level of government?

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by dmortin »

wbxrs wrote: post #44
josteink wrote: post #8

Let’s be optimistic. This will severely impact social media. It will be censored like never before, and attacking opponents by “reporting” their posts will be more effective than ever. Trolls will have a EU-sanctioned field-day. And what real users are going to bother staying on a platform like that? Maybe this will revitalize hosting of personal websites where there’s no “platform” to censor your free speech?

>Maybe this will revitalize hosting of personal websites where there’s no “platform” to censor your free speech? In Germany, Austria and Switzerland you are required to disclose your full name, address, telephone number and more if you publish a personal website. This makes it impossible to keep a personal and anonymous website. That is why having platforms is important.

What if you host your German language site targeting readers in Germany outside of Germany? Is it against the law? There are plenty of hosting choices around the world. I don't see why anyone would host a site in Germany with this condition.
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