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EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by raverbashing »

matteuan wrote: post #15
paglia_s wrote: post #5

I have been searching for this but couldn't find any answer, let's say a company has a generic public platform where people can upload text, images, videos, audio, ... how are they supposed to be able to check for copyright infringment against every single upload? I know that Youtube has its own content id system, but for anyone without YT's resouces, is ther any 3rd party service to which you can pass content and ge…

This is still not final, but startups and small business should be exempted from the law. But I guess there are still many platforms in the middle: big enough to not fall in the exempted category, but too small to build their own content id system. Paradoxically, Google/Facebook could profit A LOT from this.

> This is still not final, but startups and small business should be exempted from the law

For 3 years

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by DanTheManPR »

phoe-krk wrote: post #2

They are supposedly aimed at Google and Facebook but have enough range to burn most of other services in the European Internet in the process.

This seems to me like it will have exactly the opposite intended effect, that the large players are the only ones who will be able to operate under this new regulatory burden.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by jillesvangurp »

izacus wrote: post #4

Huh? If anything, the reform codifies systems like Content ID and makes it horribly expensive to compete with Google and Facebook. And all that to cater to US copyright industry - a fine example of EU shooting itself in the foot.

All we need now is an independent content id system that companies might use to check content against. Doing nothing will leave this to the wrong parties to implement and turn into a control point.

IMHO a simple open platform could allow content creators to register their content. Anyone could then choose to check content id against such a platform. In case of conflicts, that platform would be the place to resolve things with escalation options and arbitration built into the platform. Basically getting to a world where people register ownership of content they created would make sharing that content safe.

IMHO this is a very sane solution to this problem. Right now the problem is that we rely on content id based on databases provided by the media industry. Any conflict in these systems means the wrong decisions get taken. With an open platform, you could argue that you checked and in case of conflicts with competing systems decide even document the outcome of any manual evaluation of ownership.

IMHO this would be in the spirit of this law, protect content owners against abuse of their content, and do so in a fair and transparent way where all sides have a chance to get their rights respected. The only problem with the current way of doing content id is that it is unfair and biased towards whatever version of the truth big media companies push as the truth.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by Dahoon »

hannasanarion wrote: post #20
xorand wrote: post #9

Create. Produce original content. Keep the copyright. Don't consume canned content.

Fair use exists. This law makes it illegal to use clips of a movie in critiquing it, or cut snippets of images to form a collage, or point to examples of art, film, and music in an educational setting. Copyright was never intended to be pervasive and absolute. Copyright is supposed to protect the commercial potential of the original work by keeping people from making copies that supplant the market for the original,…

No it does not. This is the GDPR discussion all over again. "This will kill the internet" and "All sites will be subscription only" etc. I'm not for the proposed law but it does not does not block fair use.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by xorand »

hannasanarion wrote: post #20
xorand wrote: post #9

Create. Produce original content. Keep the copyright. Don't consume canned content.

Fair use exists. This law makes it illegal to use clips of a movie in critiquing it, or cut snippets of images to form a collage, or point to examples of art, film, and music in an educational setting. Copyright was never intended to be pervasive and absolute. Copyright is supposed to protect the commercial potential of the original work by keeping people from making copies that supplant the market for the original,…

I can't compute "educational setting" and "copyright" in the same comment.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by daxterspeed »

arghwhat wrote: post #10
daxterspeed wrote: post #6

The final vote hasn't happened yet as stated in the article. If you're an EU citizen there's still time to contact your representatives to ensure they understand the many issues with Article 11 (the link tax, though now it is now more akin to a publisher controlled fee for showing snippets of articles) and Article 13 (the copyright upload filter). I've already e-mailed my representatives and have gotten responses sta…

May I ask which country you are from?

Sweden. Out of 20 Swedish representatives 18 are against and 2 have no track record (neither clearly against or supporting): https://saveyourinternet.eu/se/

You can see how representatives in other countries voted by navigating from https://saveyourinternet.eu/act/

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by judge2020 »

porpoisely wrote: post #16

This is what I despise about "news". If this was china or russia or venezuela, etc, the headline would be "China tightens grip on their people" or "International community concerned as China becomes more authoritarian" or "Pro freedom activists protest against China's draconian censorship". It would be spun as something more ominous than "reform". But reuters being reuters and also a major supporter of censorship, of…

Take this with a grain of salt since it's their own website, but Youtube themselves say they wouldn't be able to let any content on their platform stay up even if it slightly resembled copyrighted content. Think the current Content ID system times 10.

https://www.youtube.com/saveyourinternet/

https://youtube-creators.googleblog.com/2018/10/a-final-upda...

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by flexie »

beezischillin wrote: post #3

This is sad and disgusting, our speech is being limited completely unfairly and without our consent and we're being told that it's a good thing. The fact that they're trying to package it as some sort of well-deserved revenge against silicon valley big tech is just tasteless. The EU's big gripe against these companies is their tax situation, if they really wanted to change that then they'd be looking into a unified a…

Don't frame this as a free speech issue. Freedom of speech is as protected in the EU as it is in the US, possibly more.

Freedom of speech in Europe is not just an EU question, but also - and mainly - up to constitutions and legislation of the member states. So of course it varies. But there is less surveillance in Europe on what citizens say online, European media is less centralized than American, there are more parties with opposing views in parliaments, much less political correctness in both politics, business life, and social life. Most importantly, European courts is most member states uphold the protection of the individuals' freedom of speech.

This is legislation aimed at Google and Facebook, and other large companies, yes. Go back 15-20 years, and nobody would have thought that Google would get away with using the creations of content providers without paying a fair share. I don't see anything wrong in Google or Facebook being forced to apply filters. We have gotten used to what is truly an disgusting situation where creators of music, journalism etc. don't get paid and their works are put out on Youtube, Facebook etc. I would have liked to see a higher threshold so that only truly large companies had to worry about filters, but again; these filters will likely be easy to find in 10 different versions for free on GitHub in a couple of years, and better ones you can license for a small fee.

But I agree, Europe should finally start to tax Facebook, Google, Amazon etc.

Re: EU Countries Back Copyright Reforms Aimed at Google, Facebook

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Post by geodel »

porpoisely wrote: post #16

This is what I despise about "news". If this was china or russia or venezuela, etc, the headline would be "China tightens grip on their people" or "International community concerned as China becomes more authoritarian" or "Pro freedom activists protest against China's draconian censorship". It would be spun as something more ominous than "reform". But reuters being reuters and also a major supporter of censorship, of…

Heh, a few weeks back I was listening a podcast and it mentioned when US/NATO decide to remove some foreign country's government they start by calling it regime instead of ruler/ruling party etc.
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