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I love this but it kind of rules out webapps as clients, no? Who would give their email password to one?
I wonder how COI will perform battery and latency wise. I mean, if an email is delivered within 30 seconds to the recipient, that is considered fast, but if instant messengers take that long you wonder what is broken.
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That's like complaining that your web browser gets full access to your browsing history, or that your IM client gets full access to your plain text conversations, even when using E2E encryption no less!
No, it's like complaining your IM gets access to your e-mail conversations. Or browser gets full access to your phone calls history. Access to your e-mail account allows you to reset password in most services associated with it.
People generally take issue with handing over access to their email account to third party services. People don't generally take issue with a client under your control accessing an account under your control.
A German newspaper has some more information on that, for example that this is headed by Rafael Laguna of Open-Xchange https://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/whatsapp-konkurrent-open... The aim seems to be to create a system that can replace centralized messenger solutions by allowing use of existing IMAP servers or hosting one yourself. I am not sure if this is correct but the article states that they are already suppl…
A German newspaper has some more information on that, for example that this is headed by Rafael Laguna of Open-Xchange https://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/whatsapp-konkurrent-open... The aim seems to be to create a system that can replace centralized messenger solutions by allowing use of existing IMAP servers or hosting one yourself. I am not sure if this is correct but the article states that they are already suppl…
"COI uses an email address ... means it can already connect 3.8 billion users" followed by "After checking for server compatibility..." Does this reduce the target pool? How much? Also, how many people still use POP?
How is this different from https://delta.chat ?
Delta Chat is here, now, and has been for a while. It works on Android, Linux, MacOS and is being developed for iOS (limited function beta is available). There is no Windows client yet as far as I know. Delta chat has a simple and concise website which quickly comes to the point and does not try to upsell anything. This... has a 'modern' website and not much more. The site starts with a page-filling image of a happy…
Great! Good luck to them.
How is this different from https://delta.chat ?
Delta Chat is here, now, and has been for a while. It works on Android, Linux, MacOS and is being developed for iOS (limited function beta is available). There is no Windows client yet as far as I know. Delta chat has a simple and concise website which quickly comes to the point and does not try to upsell anything. This... has a 'modern' website and not much more. The site starts with a page-filling image of a happy…
> With XMPP and Matrix.org -based services you would still need to convince everyone to join your new network. Easy in theory, very complex in practice! I think they missed the the bit where Matrix is called Matrix because it bridges (matrixes) the existing networks (Slack, IRC, Telegram, Discord, XMPP, etc) in, rather than needing to convince everyone to join. But no matter, we'll just provide a COI bridge if this t…
Jeremie Miller, 1999: > "Jabber is a new project I recently started to create a complete open-source platform for Instant Messaging with transparent communication to other IM systems(ICQ, AIM, etc). Matthew Hodgson, 2019: > I think they missed the the bit where Matrix is called Matrix because it bridges (matrixes) the existing networks (Slack, IRC, Telegram, Discord, XMPP, etc) in, rather than needing to convince eve…
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> It is very difficult to build a decent email client with IMAP Why do you say that? I've implemented a couple of embedded IMAP clients over the years and I always found it pretty OK to work with?
One issue is that not everyone uses IMAP. What's with POP3 users (they still exist) and Exchange users?
A German newspaper has some more information on that, for example that this is headed by Rafael Laguna of Open-Xchange https://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/whatsapp-konkurrent-open... The aim seems to be to create a system that can replace centralized messenger solutions by allowing use of existing IMAP servers or hosting one yourself. I am not sure if this is correct but the article states that they are already suppl…
"COI uses an email address ... means it can already connect 3.8 billion users" followed by "After checking for server compatibility..." Does this reduce the target pool? How much? Also, how many people still use POP?
>"A COI client should check for COI support from the server first. it will CAPABILITY after having logged into the IMAP service. If the returned capabilities list contains the "COI" capability, then the client does not need to filter messages on the client side. It will also have more advanced options at its disposal, see the server side specifications for details."
The requirements are just an IMAP (or JMAP) server that conforms to the IMAP RFC:
>"The IMAP server may or may not be COI-compatible. The IMAP service MUST be compatible with IMAP v4rev1 as defined in RFC 3501, which is the case for almost any IMAP service in production." An SMTP service for sending messages. Sending services are also called Mail Transfer Agents (MTAs)."