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COI – Chat Over IMAP

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Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#81

> With XMPP and Matrix.org -based services you would still need to convince everyone to join your new network. Easy in theory, very complex in practice! I think they missed the the bit where Matrix is called Matrix because it bridges (matrixes) the existing networks (Slack, IRC, Telegram, Discord, XMPP, etc) in, rather than needing to convince everyone to join. But no matter, we'll just provide a COI bridge if this t…

Well then matrix developers can develop a bridge for COI then :P

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can in theory. But you have to choose: Either your data is encrypted or it's searchable. So in practice you prefer searchability. Someone will probably say something about homomorphic encryption. Not deployed AFAIK, and deploying will be difficult if you want to ensure that you can search your encrypted mail but others cannot.

You can just search on the client after decrypting.

Oh, sure. Just download all of the messages. The problem with that is that you run into users like me, who have 25 years of archived email, a mobile phone, and who travel abroad.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#83
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried Matrix last month. It's neat, but slow and a little buggy. Recommending it to anyone other than a Matrix developer right now seems a bit of a stretch.

Not to mention that it's just re-solving all the same problems other messaging protocols (XMPP, IRC, etc.) spent time solving 10+ years ago. I always feel that the Matrix organization is a bit disingenuous. Not only are they not developed by any recognized standards body (meaning they have no long-term sustainable funding model), but if they really just wanted to connect all the other chat protocols and make sure eve…

i'd argue that the Matrix.org Foundation is just as 'recognized' as the XMPP Standards Foundation :) In terms of disingenuousness - i'd argue that the definition of disingenuous is accusing us of reinventing the wheel rather than acknowledging that Matrix is an entirely different type of technology to IRC or XMPP. It's more similar to NNTP or Git than either IRC or XMPP. For better or worse, trying to solve existing problems using new approaches is how things evolve. On which note, it's cool to see delta.chat and COI trying a totally different approach too.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#87
post #61

A German newspaper has some more information on that, for example that this is headed by Rafael Laguna of Open-Xchange https://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/whatsapp-konkurrent-open... The aim seems to be to create a system that can replace centralized messenger solutions by allowing use of existing IMAP servers or hosting one yourself. I am not sure if this is correct but the article states that they are already suppl…

"COI uses an email address ... means it can already connect 3.8 billion users"

followed by

"After checking for server compatibility..."

Does this reduce the target pool? How much?

Also, how many people still use POP?

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#88

> With XMPP and Matrix.org -based services you would still need to convince everyone to join your new network. Easy in theory, very complex in practice! I think they missed the the bit where Matrix is called Matrix because it bridges (matrixes) the existing networks (Slack, IRC, Telegram, Discord, XMPP, etc) in, rather than needing to convince everyone to join. But no matter, we'll just provide a COI bridge if this t…

Jeremie Miller, 1999:

> "Jabber is a new project I recently started to create a complete open-source platform for Instant Messaging with transparent communication to other IM systems(ICQ, AIM, etc).

Matthew Hodgson, 2019:

> I think they missed the the bit where Matrix is called Matrix because it bridges (matrixes) the existing networks (Slack, IRC, Telegram, Discord, XMPP, etc) in, rather than needing to convince everyone to join.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

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post #31

I really don't like that the client would require full access to your e-mail account. Otherwise it's pretty neat.

That's like complaining that your web browser gets full access to your browsing history, or that your IM client gets full access to your plain text conversations, even when using E2E encryption no less!

No, it's like complaining your IM gets access to your e-mail conversations. Or browser gets full access to your phone calls history.

Access to your e-mail account allows you to reset password in most services associated with it.

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