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COI – Chat Over IMAP

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Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

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They will have a problem with greylisting mail.

Oh wait, they will not. I can not find any reference to a working client implementation on their website. Are they expecting others to write implementations?

That's one client we are working on. That client uses delta.chat core to which we are also contributing.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

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This info is a bit stale - it's true we had stability problems in Freenode until July 2018 (exasperated by their spam issues), but since then it's been pretty stable and the reconnects are considerably rarer than freenode netsplits. It's not perfect, but many people use it fine as a casual IRC client. There are over 24,000 active users using the Freenode bridge in the last month, for instance, so I'm unsure that 'har…

I tried Matrix last month. It's neat, but slow and a little buggy. Recommending it to anyone other than a Matrix developer right now seems a bit of a stretch.

Not to mention that it's just re-solving all the same problems other messaging protocols (XMPP, IRC, etc.) spent time solving 10+ years ago.

I always feel that the Matrix organization is a bit disingenuous. Not only are they not developed by any recognized standards body (meaning they have no long-term sustainable funding model), but if they really just wanted to connect all the other chat protocols and make sure everything was interoperable they could have built bridges for existing protocols instead of reinventing the wheel yet again and making the chat scene even more fragmented. Not invented here syndrome is not okay when there are plenty of good (or at least "good enough" even if they're not my favorite) alternatives on the market already.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

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I wonder how COI will perform battery and latency wise. I mean, if an email is delivered within 30 seconds to the recipient, that is considered fast, but if instant messengers take that long you wonder what is broken.

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Maybe we are looking at different websites (im viewing from a desktop), but I found it very easy to read and access the information I required.

Too much white space. They could have condensed it quite a bit. And who needs a hero image that big anyway? That was "modern" when people just started using the word "modern". Like using the word "modern" now, it's pretty dated.

Whats the modern word for "modern"?

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I think most people who use WhatsApp don't even know what E2E encryption is and use it only because their peers are using it.

The pivotal reason people use WhatsApp is because it can be used without paying (with money that is), and because up to 90% of people in any country use it¹. That's it. Facebook could remove E2E today, and lose only a fraction of its WhatsApp users. Of course many little annoyances might mean that a competitor may step up, but WhatsApp is incumbent, and this is no longer about features or technology. It's all about t…

It must vary a lot. I live in the United States and I've never encountered anyone who wanted to communicate over WhatsApp.

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The pivotal reason people use WhatsApp is because it can be used without paying (with money that is), and because up to 90% of people in any country use it¹. That's it. Facebook could remove E2E today, and lose only a fraction of its WhatsApp users. Of course many little annoyances might mean that a competitor may step up, but WhatsApp is incumbent, and this is no longer about features or technology. It's all about t…

Not to forget that WhatsApp started out without E2E and didn't implement E2E for quite a while. WhatsApp simply won the race by being there early on and getting the critical mass. From there on out people are locked in, because everyone else is there.

I would add: WhatsApp was there, free and very well done.

Even in countries that had free domestic text messages (where the “free” factor was much less important), WhatsApp nailed group messaging better than anything else available at the time. Also, by using phone numbers they skipped the entire “create account / invite friends” stage, making for a much smoother bootstrap.

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I would have pointed you to their issue tracker, but all I can find is a horrible Confluence wiki. Kind of discouraging for potential contributors. There is a mailing list though. At the very least they might add a 'why not (also) JMAP' bullet point to the website if you ask about it: > […] join the COI developer mailing list by sending a mail to dev-join@coi-dev.org. I would guess that they need IMAP to prevent the…

The specs will soon be available on GitHub soon. If the server supports JMAP, there are no principle obstacles to also support COI over JMAP. But as said, currently the market share of JMAP is neglible.

i assume for this to work remotely ok the imap idle is a must. also how is it supposed to work on the receiving site ? There has to be some "Folder" where those messages are stored and the imap idle should listen to that folder or else my inbox will be huge mess and mess with my regular mail client.

also was there any tests how long does it take for delivery, because the message could hop around and could be scanned, added addotional headers or mess with those there.

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