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That solves the issue from the advertisers' perspective. It doesn't solve the "pedos are looking at my kid" side of things.

Don’t use YouTube. Photos on Mac and iOS make sharing family videos dead simple. Not sure why anyone uses YouTube to share videos they don’t want to be public.

Nobody in my family has a Mac on an iOS devise.

It's possible to have family videos private on YouTube and only share them with a small circle of people.

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At some point, social media companies need to realize that they ARE utilities. They should not attempt to control their content, rather, law enforcement should prosecute illegal usage.

It's more difficult for law enforcement to prosecute illegal usage of social media than other 'utilities'. Given the international nature of most social media, illegal usage could happen anywhere on Earth and no one but local law enforcement would have no power to do anything. If someone started stealing electricity without paying or using it for some illegal purpose it would be much easier to prosecute them as they would likely be within the same jurisdiction as the utility operates.

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>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

> it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my own sisters would shoot with our dad's camcorder. Your family camcorder videos probably weren't made available for checkout at the public library, filed under "young girls doing gymnastics" in the library's card catalog. If they were, I imagine your family and many members of the public would be creeped out or upset. > but what else do you do h…

I learned the hard way that youtube is not useful for sharing family videos with a limited audience (ie: immediate family. 10 people, tops.).

I uploaded my children's dance recital video, as an unlisted video, and earned myself a copyright strike because of the background music.

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post #34

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Not sure that analogy makes sense. YouTube makes it pretty clear you are publishing your video to the public when you upload the file. You actually have to confirm the video is going to be public. It's not like YouTube is raiding the family archives for the content

> YouTube makes it pretty clear you are publishing your video to the public when you upload the file After working in tech for long enough, you realize that no one reads anything, even if its absolutely clear in the UI. And they will blame you for it.

As well they should, because (the hypothetical) you built and deployed something that relied for safety on users doing something you knew they wouldn't do.

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>but what else do you do here? I don't have an answer, but considering the size of Disney and Nestle cumulative marketing budget, youtube engineers will be hard pressed to do something .

Youtube is not facebook, and judging by the continued neglect of youtube's comment system I doubt their ability to add fine grained privacy control, especially since they abandoned Google+ integration. This isn't a new problem as their comment subsystem has been a usability nightmare in years. When a comment thread geta to a certain length, following the conversation and pinging specific replies become increasingly d…

YouTube tried to fix their comment system by forcing people to attach them to Google accounts with real names. The anonymity is part of the problem (look at how much banning Reddit has had to do due to advertiser pushback. It's not an open platform at all. Voat and 4chan are good examples of what anonymity leads to).

Anonymous comments are always going to go down that path. The way Facebook slowly released and tried to keep all accounts real has contributed to the way it's network works. We see other sites trying to do this like OKCupid which tried to force people to use their real first names.

I personally think there is something that's lost when you lose that anonymity. There is a reality people let themselves be, and there's something valuable that can be learned about society which is overshadowed but just calling comments a cesspool.

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This just seems ridiculous. I post a lot of videos of my daughter to share with my family and friends, and generally don't care who looks at them any more than I care who looks at her (or what they are thinking) when we are in public. I've gotten a couple creepy comments here and there from random people who found them. (the comments weren't overtly sexual though, but I deleted them anyway) Here's an example of a har…

> The thing is, even if someone is a perv and gets off on this sort of thing, it isn't endangering her. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

But... it's a video of her, not of you. Is she going to lose sleep over it if in five years she goes on YouTube and discovers someone has cloned and monetized the video, and a bunch of creeps have commented on it?

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post #19

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"Ban kids uploading a video of their innocent pool party because some creeps might enjoy it?" Given everything else YouTube already does, I seriously, no sarcasm, don't see this as a particularly problematic solution. As ceejayoz pointed out, there's some thorny consent issues involved here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19209766 (ceejayoz' point isn't much larger than my summary of it, but I wanted to give cr…

I upload unlisted videos to share with family. I batch and upload them on a monthly basis. Never had an issue with Youtube and my family videos. Last month one video was my daughter fully clothed in the bathroom dumping a cup of water on my son in the bathtub and both laughing. You could only see his head and chest. It was 10 seconds long and funny play between young siblings. It was instantly and automatically flagg…

The problem is that your videos are unlisted, so Google isn't making enough money from them.

If you posted them publicly so Google could properly monetize them, they'd be "Featured videos of the month!" in a pedo group.

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Youtube wants to cater to everyone but to me it is clear Youtube is a risky place for a child. I let my kids use the site but I have no expectations of anything less then we are seeing here and try to keep an eye from behind. But I myself have found these types of wormholes he talked about in the video. Searching for massage techniques and saw a pretty girl so clicked it then next thing I know I am down a worm hole o…

What I don't get is why the fringe community even exists - is there that large of a market of people with porn websites blocked, but youtube not blocked?

Consider that "softcore" porn doesn't exist just because of restrictions, it also serves a market for a certain set of tastes.

I can see someone preferring to watch two attractive women massage each other on YouTube over the content found on porn sites.

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post #34

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Not sure that analogy makes sense. YouTube makes it pretty clear you are publishing your video to the public when you upload the file. You actually have to confirm the video is going to be public. It's not like YouTube is raiding the family archives for the content

Part of the problem is the publishers. They know what they are uploading and want it to be public. You are taking the analogy too far.

I don't think you can safely assert that people know that they "want it to be public". The last decade or so has demonstrated pretty adequately that people's brains have a lot of trouble with what "public-to-the-internet" means.
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