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Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by tsp » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 4:47 PM UTC

I am / was heavily invested in Apple hardware as well (MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPad).

I recently switched to an Android phone, because the price-point of buying a new iPhone is just not justifiable any more. Android feels a bit spammy, but overall it does what I need it to do. I will stick with Android for now.

I was looking at the iPad Pro recently, because I could need a second screen when I’m working e.g. from a co-working space. It looks beautiful, but things like no-headphone jack makes it too much trouble for me. I don’t want to bring my dongles all the time. As others have mentioned using Bluetooth headphones for music production just isn’t good enough because of latency. Also I prefer having devices without a battery. Less to think about when leaving the house.

I am using my MacBook Pro 2014 daily for 10+ for work and as a private computer. It’s about time to upgrade for me, because I could save quite a lot of time with a faster CPU. While I would love to have a more powerful device running macOS (so a newer MacBook Pro), from what I heard they are just worse than my 2014 MacBook Pro. I still use a lot of USB 2/3 devices, I want a keyboard, which feels good and does not get broken easily. I don’t care about it being thin at all. I want performance and an SD slot.

Because it is clear that there is no such machine produces by Apple right now (and probably in the future) I had to look for alternatives. The Surface Book 2 by Microsoft is really interesting. They even have a Nvidia GPU, which can be used for Deep Learning and graphical experiments. A big advantage over the GPUs used by Apple imo. Sadly from all what I hear Windows 10 just isn’t good enough to use it daily as a programmer. I spend many hours researching and found a lot of comments from former macOS user who switched. Windows will (still) drive you nuts if you are used to things just working they say.

The only alternative, Linux, would mean a serious commitment to figuring out stuff by myself, spending time making my system work. I am currently stuck with macOS, and therefore my laptop from 2014. I’m quite sure I will switch to another OS in the next two years, but it is hard to figure out which is the better option for me.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by Jwarder » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 4:47 PM UTC

sinatra wrote: post #241

Jwarder wrote: post #232

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Your attitude seems common, but I'm quite curious just how common it is. Personally I totally happy with my current income and don't have any real interest in making more. I can pay my bills, buy anything that catches my eye, max out my 401k, travel to visit family. I don't turn down raises or bonuses, it is nice to have a little bit extra in case of emergencies. But an extra dollar doesn't mean much compared to the…

Just curious. Have you done a serious analysis of how much you’ll need in your retirement savings to be able to live a comfortable life when you’re no longer earning (due to lack of desire to work or lack of opportunities to work)? Say you live till you’re 90. I’m asking because many times people think about the present and say they don’t need any more money, but don’t think about the future when they won’t be able t…

Somewhat. We've eyeballed the cost of living where we want to retire (NorCal Redwood Coast) compared to the many asterisked expected 401k returns and everything looks reasonable. The big gotcha in my mind is that I expect that once we get old then some big medical issue will hit one or both of us and drain any/all saving.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by jerrysievert » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 4:55 PM UTC

anthonybsd wrote: post #246

matwood wrote: post #176

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> Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They may have reached peak growth, but the numbers show that outside China (which in hindsight appears to have larger economic issues), millions of people buy iPhones. Are all the current iPhone users going to suddenly switch to Android? Very unlikely. By all accounts the XS is a great phone. If I had anything…

>By all accounts the XS is a great phone. If I had anything other than the X, I would have upgraded. I upgraded to XS Max from 7+ and I regret it. LTE issues due to Intel modem are bad enough to launch a class action lawsuit.

did your 7+ not have the intel model? my 7 does, and it has many more issues than my 6 did with the Qualcomm modem.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by zeeveener » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 4:56 PM UTC

truculent wrote: post #188

bad_user wrote: post #158

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You may not upgrade to the next iPhone model, but are you going to switch to another platform? If not, then you're still in Apple's ecosystem and generating some revenue and opportunity for them, aren't you? iPhones age better than other phones. You can also get them to a service and get a batter replacement and they're like brand new after two years of use. You can't really say the same thing about the other phone m…

> This need to update your phone every year or every two years is insane, the peak of consumerism. I'd happily still use my iphone 4 if I could. The problem is the software bloat means that even the latest compatible version is really slow. Not to mention that it means that I no longer get the latest version of apps or security fixes (due to stopped software updates).

While I understand where you are coming from, the iPhone 4 was announced in 2010[1].

I believe a more apt comparison would be my current situation with an iPhone 6 which came out in 2014[2]. It works perfectly fine, albeit with a new battery. I do not plan on upgrading to any iPhone past the 6 unless the headphone jack comes back (my major personal gripe).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Release

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by bndw » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 4:57 PM UTC

tsp wrote: post #271

I am / was heavily invested in Apple hardware as well (MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPad). I recently switched to an Android phone, because the price-point of buying a new iPhone is just not justifiable any more. Android feels a bit spammy, but overall it does what I need it to do. I will stick with Android for now. I was looking at the iPad Pro recently, because I could need a second screen when I’m working e.g. from a co-w…

In my experience I spend most of my time in a terminal emulator or a web browser. Windows runs Docker these days, so theoretically you could avoid toolchain annoyance. Windows also has Firefox.

But, YMMV (written from a macbook)

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by jakub_g » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 4:58 PM UTC

jakub_g wrote: post #126

setquk wrote: post #110

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I disagree with this actually. I've had a MacBook for a number of years and bought a new one (a 2018 MacBook Air). The keyboard on it was awful and stopped working properly resulting in duplicate key hits. I was also fighting half of the OSX software at this point. Mail was getting buggy, iPhoto is just horrid and I'm not even going to start writing the massive rant about Pages / Numbers. Alas I took the MBA back and…

> Also comparing OSX to windows, you can actually mostly drive windows from the keyboard without resorting to hand warping shortcut combinations reminiscent of Megadrive Streetfighter cheat codes. As a long-time Win user, having wrist pain, this is the killer thing for me. Everything about a Mac feels extremely unergonomic to me. Many things are not doable from keyboard at all. AFAIU most of the Mac developers do all…

Edit: thanks for the tips, I created a living gist where I will document all the tricks:

https://gist.github.com/jakub-g/e893ffa9e91d08c6098966080978...

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by rtikulit » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 5:01 PM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #266

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

I don't understand why folks get so upset about the Touch Bar. It just sits there; if you don't want to use it, don't use it. It's not like Macbook Pros are getting more expensive. A 15" Macbook Pro with Touch Bar starts at $2,399. When I bought my first 15" Macbook Pro in 2008, the base model was about $2,500. That's the price range of a Macbook Pro. When it comes to iPhones, considering the sales trajectory without…

Several years ago I severed a tendon in my left index finger, as a result it is relatively immobile and sticks out. It brushes against that horrible touch bar all too often. I touch type, can handle real keys without looking, but the touch bar just slows me down. Have to look, recognize an icon, choose. Arrrrgh!

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by dquarks » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 5:06 PM UTC

anthonybsd wrote: post #246

matwood wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They may have reached peak growth, but the numbers show that outside China (which in hindsight appears to have larger economic issues), millions of people buy iPhones. Are all the current iPhone users going to suddenly switch to Android? Very unlikely. By all accounts the XS is a great phone. If I had anything…

>By all accounts the XS is a great phone. If I had anything other than the X, I would have upgraded. I upgraded to XS Max from 7+ and I regret it. LTE issues due to Intel modem are bad enough to launch a class action lawsuit.

My goodness, yes. The LTE issues are a nightmare.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by JohnJamesRambo » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 5:13 PM UTC

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

Great post. If you don't mind me asking what do you store on your phone that takes up 512GB? I've always wondered what people store on their phones that takes up the room.

I know I am definitely in the minority, but my iPhone SE with 32 GB never gets full now that I use Google Photos to backup the images and delete them from the phone whenever it gets full.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by ridgeguy » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

stoolpigeon wrote: post #198

puranjay wrote: post #177

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And here I am switching to Mac after a lifetime on Windows. All the things you say about Apple might be true, but the alternative is substantially worse. Microsoft dropped the ball way more than Apple ever did with Windows 10. And hardware quality among laptop manufacturers is frustratingly inconsistent, even within the same brand. My last Lenovo worked great for 5 years despite being a low end machine. My much more…

This is my fear. I'm holding onto my 2015 MBP really hoping Apple starts making laptops I want again, but I don't know where else to go. My last Windows machine was a very expensive Samsung Ultrabook machine that cost much more than the equivalent Apple machine. It was a mess in terms of OS and hardware. So I feel like I'm running out of options.

You're in good company in my household. We have four MBPs (2015, 2012, 2x2011). Not getting rid of them until, as you said, Apple starts making laptops I want again.