Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by StreamBright » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:14 AM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #79

iainmerrick wrote: post #45

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music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

Lots of salt in this thread. I have a Mac because I enjoy it the most for software development. It's not a status symbol because, well, almost everyone here has a Mac. The alternatives are Windows-based laptops - who often lag behind software development support (e.g. ports), or Linux which is still just not good enough for desktop use. I use Windows at home for not-development and have used both Windows and Linux fo…

Windows is not a serious alternative. It is pretty unbelievable that MS did not learn a single thing from Apple over 20 years. The result of this ignorance shows. Their software is complicated, bloated has 100000 features when people use 3 most of the time. Apple got this right with the mandatory app menu where the most used things are the same (like CMD+P). I think for developers Linux is a better alternative today than Windows (if somebody does not like MacOS).

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by hrktb » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:15 AM UTC

jamesb93 wrote: post #95

8fingerlouie wrote: post #83

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When it comes to (smart)phones, you don't really have much choice. You either consent to being exploited by Google, or you pay a pound of flesh to Apple. As for the pricing of the phones, nobody is forcing you to upgrade every year. I've done that ever since the original iPhone came out, but when i bought the X, i also decided to only upgrade every 2-3 years to justify the cost. MacBooks are a sad story though. I'm "…

I don't understand what people are talking about when they say they get gouged by phones. Mine cost 180 USD in 2016. I still use it everyday and I get over 10 hours screen time. The issue is people conflate everyday devices of utility with fashion products (Apple, Google Pixel).

To give another angle, my iPad Pro cost around 1000€. The iPhone X is about the same price.

Event taking into account miniaturization, waterproofing and just “luxury” tax, it’s insane that both products cost the same when their capabilities are so wildly different.

I know there are reasons (like paying licensing and cetification for the cellular stack, and pure greed), I just feel they are wrong reasons.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by StreamBright » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:16 AM UTC

stefanfisk wrote: post #85

blihp wrote: post #77

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Consumers. (i.e. casual computer users who aren't terribly demanding in any particular dimension) Unfortunately they've been flocking in for the 'just works' Apple reputation as it is being un-earned by Apple. But for many in this group, it's probably good enough vs. what they were using before.

They are so far ahead of Microsoft when it comes to not annoying of frustrating regular users that they can probably fall for a decade before people start abandoning the platform in any significant numbers. I just tried switching from my MBP to a Surface Laptop, and the bullshit that win 10 makes you deal with is just insane O_O

Same here, I have Windows VMs for work but even Skype is a piece of crap that forces me to reboot the VMs regularly while having serious bugs that interrupt my meetings. 9/10 meetings are starting with fixing Skype issues. If people were serious about not wasting their time Skype would be not used in businesses at all.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by MattBearman » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:17 AM UTC

adrianhel wrote: post #73

What is happening with Macs? My butterfly keyboard repeats keys. This easily halves my typing speed. (Or rather "Itt easily halves my ttyping speed") Yesterday my machine got stuck booting with a black screen after running out of battery with the backlight turned off. Also, the keyboards have gone from making virtually no sound to making loud clicking sounds. I have also had a glitch where the sound gets distorted.

Depending on your Macbook's age and your location, you may be able to get the keyboard replaced due to sticking keys. I ended up getting a brand new MBP when they repeatedly fucked up repairing my sticking keyboard.

Obviously it would be better if the keyboards didn't break so easily to begin with, but at least you may not have to put up with it :)

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by tobylane » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:18 AM UTC

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

China has people no longer willing to pay for iPhones. Everywhere else it's not changed much year on year.

There was great demand for stock buybacks, Apple resisted for a while.

I'm surprised to hear a need for 512GB storage, I'd be interested to know how that's used. The upgrade to XS is only minor from the X according to the reviews I've seen/seen summarised. A yearly upgrade isn't common, isn't their target.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by StreamBright » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:18 AM UTC

duado wrote: post #59

iainmerrick wrote: post #45

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music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

The main market for Macs are people who want an expensive-looking, high perceived quality machine for emails, Facebook, and Slack.

And Brew, Postgres, Atom, VIM, VirtualBox, tmux, fish and probably 100.000 more things. Why do you think Brew exists and with such stats??[1]

1. https://formulae.brew.sh/analytics/install/365d/

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by StreamBright » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:20 AM UTC

unmole wrote: post #47

iainmerrick wrote: post #45

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music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

> what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? Hipsters?

You are mixing up artisan single origin drip coffee with Macs.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by blihp » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:22 AM UTC

jamesb93 wrote: post #92

blihp wrote: post #77

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Consumers. (i.e. casual computer users who aren't terribly demanding in any particular dimension) Unfortunately they've been flocking in for the 'just works' Apple reputation as it is being un-earned by Apple. But for many in this group, it's probably good enough vs. what they were using before.

You sound like someone who has never had to deal with the horrific experience that is ASIO drivers. People use Mac because CoreAudio is great and obviously windows can't be trusted in a live setting due to the many already documented issues that it has with updating/crashing etc.

I don't doubt that there are numerous problems these days with the Mac/OS X and Apple overall.[1] My only point was that the group Apple is focused on today are general-purpose consumer users, not the traditional verticals (creatives, education, developers, etc.) that they built their reputation with. I suspect that's the reason we keep seeing articles like this: it's becoming painfully obvious to members of groups Apple used to serve that they are no longer Apple's focus.

[1] I left about a decade ago when I saw where things were headed with iOS-ification of the platform in general. I'm a developer so I feel/felt your pain as a member of one of the groups Apple used to care about. I moved to Linux which I know is no help to you... power user/pro audio features and software on Linux are still lacking.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by StreamBright » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:23 AM UTC

deng wrote: post #93

gumbi_nz wrote: post #82

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I find that truly bizarre. Would people seriously prefer to run a commercial studio and Pro Tools on a windows machine? I've run Logic across a number of versions on various Mac Pros and they're rock solid. I could almost guarantee a very different experience on a PC ....

I find it truly bizarre that there are people who actually still buy a Mac Pro. Just look at the shop page. They sell that thing for 4k$ with 16GB RAM and a 256GB SSD. It's completely bonkers. If you need a high-powered audio machine with dedicated PCI-E ports today(!), there's simply no alternative to a Windows PC. And yes, Windows can do audio just fine; you either invest the work and carefully choose components an…

There used to be some timing issues with Windows audio 10 years ago that forced people to go for alternatives but I think it got fixed in Windows 7. Now Apple's ignorance and total lack of innovation makes people move to Windows. I think it just shows that market forces work.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by setquk » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:24 AM UTC

stefanfisk wrote: post #85

blihp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consumers. (i.e. casual computer users who aren't terribly demanding in any particular dimension) Unfortunately they've been flocking in for the 'just works' Apple reputation as it is being un-earned by Apple. But for many in this group, it's probably good enough vs. what they were using before.

They are so far ahead of Microsoft when it comes to not annoying of frustrating regular users that they can probably fall for a decade before people start abandoning the platform in any significant numbers. I just tried switching from my MBP to a Surface Laptop, and the bullshit that win 10 makes you deal with is just insane O_O

I disagree with this actually. I've had a MacBook for a number of years and bought a new one (a 2018 MacBook Air). The keyboard on it was awful and stopped working properly resulting in duplicate key hits. I was also fighting half of the OSX software at this point. Mail was getting buggy, iPhoto is just horrid and I'm not even going to start writing the massive rant about Pages / Numbers.

Alas I took the MBA back and got a refund and grabbed my spare Thinkpad T440 out of the cupboard and put windows 10 on it. The OS is a shell to run Chrome, Excel, Word, Putty, iTunes, kicad, LTspice, WSJTX and I use Fastmail for mail. Literally nothing gets in my way. It just works. And everything like photos and videos are in FILES not weird opaque containers and buggy as crap apps. The CPU is about the same speed, I've got more RAM in this, it's got a FHD display which is good enough and the keyboard is amazing compared to anything Apple had to offer. Plus it cost me literally 1/5th of the cost.

Also comparing OSX to windows, you can actually mostly drive windows from the keyboard without resorting to hand warping shortcut combinations reminiscent of Megadrive Streetfighter cheat codes.

I think after switching back I just had stockholm syndrome.