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Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by threeseed »

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

You definitely ticked all the cliches. Complains about:

1) Apple products being expensive but buys the most expensive one.

2) Being forced to use iTunes even though it hasn't been needed for any reason for quite some time.

3) Quality getting progressively worse based purely on anecdotes.

And of course the "I own Apple products and shares therefore my opinion is important" line. Always a classic.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by varlogix »

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

Couldn't agree more. I am a pretty big Apple user (mac/iphone/ipad), but their audacity (shamelessness?) with the recent pricing is breathtaking.

They will probably fix the audio issue and use the opportunity to charge $500 more for the new improved Macbooks.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by ascar »

Can someone provide a good quality example of code that would bug on system clock updates? I have a hard time thinking about one. Especially as these system clock updates shouldn't change the time for more than a few seconds, at least if you have automatic updates turned on (and the fix in the article is to turn that off). I'm not interested in examples that shouldn't have made it through a merge request in the first place. It's not about the actual bug that happened here, but more about general things to think about that can go wrong with system time updates.

I can think about two main use cases for system time: Measuring time elapsed, most notably for timeouts, and scheduling something in the future (which can be done with a timestamp instead of time elapsed). Maybe I'm already missing some important ones here.

In the time elapsed use case a time shift into the future might delay something for these few seconds, which shouldn't result in more than a lag. A shift into the past might trigger a timeout, but a timeout that triggers on a few seconds should be a handled error.

In the schedule use case a time shift into the future shouldn't make any difference. You can't assume it's run at exact times anyway and always use "should happen after", i.e. greater than timestamp. A time shift into the past might only delay it a bit, still no reason for a bug.

What am I missing?

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by savanaly »

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

>Apple is the richest company in the world, and instead of paying their engineers top wages...

If that sentence caught anyone else's eye, know that it caught mine too and I did a quick sanity check. [0] It does seem that Apple is falling a bit short of other top companies, especially for the upper levels.

[0] https://www.levels.fyi/SE/Google/Facebook/Apple

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by Rebelgecko »

uvu wrote: post #3

Generally, Apple MacBook Pro suck since 2017!

Recently replaced my 2015 MBP for a "better" model and I miss it so much. Better keyboard, didn't have play "guess the dongle" when plugging into a projector at work, didn't have weird wake/sleep issues, etc. I haven't really noticed a difference in CPU, and for the same priced MBP I actually have less storage space than my 2015 model.

But I can share the charger with my phone, so I guess that's nice

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by Rebelgecko »

csomar wrote: post #40
siquick wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this getting downvoted. Had my MBA for 6 years and worked perfectly the whole time, just needed to install a new battery after 4 years but that was a personal preference. I've had my MBP w/o touch bar for 13 months and I seriously regret spending $2300 on it. - The keyboard is continually sticking, the left Command key is now completely separated from the keyboard and falls out all the time. I make so ma…

I might be the exception here but the 2018 Macbook Pro keyboard is the best I've typed on. It is accurate, quiet, requires very little effort to push the buttons. I don't feel muscle fatigue typing on it. > and people also complain about how loud the keyboard is when Im typing. We must not be using the same keyboard. The mbp is quietest I've even used to date. Everything else doesn't even come close. > The battery li…

I like my USB-C/Thunderbolt dock (when it works... for some reason my 2 monitors get flipped about 20% of the time), but when it fell off my desk it took my MBP with it :(

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by spiralganglion »

ascar wrote: post #53

Can someone provide a good quality example of code that would bug on system clock updates? I have a hard time thinking about one. Especially as these system clock updates shouldn't change the time for more than a few seconds, at least if you have automatic updates turned on (and the fix in the article is to turn that off). I'm not interested in examples that shouldn't have made it through a merge request in the first…

I believe I’ve had this issue, manifesting as skips and glitches only a fraction of a second long, like a pop or click. Total conjecture apropos of nothing, this issue could be that the system clock update does something synchronous or blocking in the T2, introducing a very brief interruption to audio scheduling.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by duado »

iainmerrick wrote: post #45
mastazi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article comes from CDM which is a music production website, MacBooks are very popular in that field, and basically all audio producers use external audio interfaces, it's not an uncommon use case. This is not the first time that this type of issues happens (from memory, last year an OSX update broke compatibility with Native Instruments Maschine, a very popular music software). So I think the point that the artic…

music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

The main market for Macs are people who want an expensive-looking, high perceived quality machine for emails, Facebook, and Slack.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by egeozcan »

komali2 wrote: post #32
ajross wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, a MacBook pro is the highest end premium product in this space being used with official software for a well-defined industry use case. That's hardly the same thing as a bunch of developers installing an aftermarket OS on a midrange laptop. And even then, "you have to install a BIOS update" is just shorthand for Lenovo fixed the problem , right?

> Midrange laptop I mean, a topped out x1 carbon is pretty much the non-macbook business laptop, so this is a bit unfair.

People have a special affection to soldered-on memory that tops out at 16GB?
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