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Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by jdietrich » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 9:59 AM UTC

gumbi_nz wrote: post #82

deng wrote: post #68

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This glitch is just another nail in the coffin for using Macs in professional audio setups. Another serious issue is the massively outdated Mac Pro. Yes, a new one will come this year, but many people have switched already. See for instance https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2019/2/7/pro-tool...

I find that truly bizarre. Would people seriously prefer to run a commercial studio and Pro Tools on a windows machine? I've run Logic across a number of versions on various Mac Pros and they're rock solid. I could almost guarantee a very different experience on a PC ....

>Would people seriously prefer to run a commercial studio and Pro Tools on a windows machine?

Yes. A specialist system integrator can sell you a Windows machine with reliable low-latency audio performance and modern components. A lot of people can make do with a 2013 Mac Pro and don't want to deal with the inconvenience of switching; plenty of others have switched because they simply can't tolerate working on a machine with an Ivy Bridge processor and a maximum of 64GB of RAM.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by saiya-jin » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:05 AM UTC

StreamBright wrote: post #113

tobylane wrote: post #105

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China has people no longer willing to pay for iPhones. Everywhere else it's not changed much year on year. There was great demand for stock buybacks, Apple resisted for a while. I'm surprised to hear a need for 512GB storage, I'd be interested to know how that's used. The upgrade to XS is only minor from the X according to the reviews I've seen/seen summarised. A yearly upgrade isn't common, isn't their target.

>> I'm surprised to hear a need for 512GB storage How should I store my lossless audio files then? I have a 6s and I am continuously having issues with space but I won't give up the jack port and nothing can change that. HiFi audio needs additional 10 years before it becomes viable on wireless (battery times, quality, etc.).

Well you most probably don't need all of that collection in your phone. Phones are generally lousy primary storage for, well anything including photos and music. Easy to lose, drown or destroy.

You also most probably wouldn't hear the difference between high bitrate mp3 and flac, unless you are genetically gifted with superior hearing and use expensive headphones on top of that.

But I guess its easier to shell tons of money and complain later rather than work a bit on managing your music collection/expectations.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by wor3q » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:07 AM UTC

StreamBright wrote: post #101

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #79

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Lots of salt in this thread. I have a Mac because I enjoy it the most for software development. It's not a status symbol because, well, almost everyone here has a Mac. The alternatives are Windows-based laptops - who often lag behind software development support (e.g. ports), or Linux which is still just not good enough for desktop use. I use Windows at home for not-development and have used both Windows and Linux fo…

Windows is not a serious alternative. It is pretty unbelievable that MS did not learn a single thing from Apple over 20 years. The result of this ignorance shows. Their software is complicated, bloated has 100000 features when people use 3 most of the time. Apple got this right with the mandatory app menu where the most used things are the same (like CMD+P). I think for developers Linux is a better alternative today…

> bloated has 100000 features when people use 3 most of the time

And here's your MP3 player, iTunes...

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by adamlett » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:07 AM UTC

StreamBright wrote: post #101

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of salt in this thread. I have a Mac because I enjoy it the most for software development. It's not a status symbol because, well, almost everyone here has a Mac. The alternatives are Windows-based laptops - who often lag behind software development support (e.g. ports), or Linux which is still just not good enough for desktop use. I use Windows at home for not-development and have used both Windows and Linux fo…

Windows is not a serious alternative. It is pretty unbelievable that MS did not learn a single thing from Apple over 20 years. The result of this ignorance shows. Their software is complicated, bloated has 100000 features when people use 3 most of the time. Apple got this right with the mandatory app menu where the most used things are the same (like CMD+P). I think for developers Linux is a better alternative today…

Windows hasn't learned from the Mac, because user experience was never a key selling point for Windows. Windows dominance was the result of selling large quantities of Windows licences to IT managers who were not chiefly concerned with user experience, but rather with easy management of a large number of machines, integration with other Microsoft products (Office etc), and backwards compatibility so they could continue running the software that their businesses depended on.

The Mac user experience is great in part because Apple is willing to compromise on backwards compatibility. This allows them to innovate in the user interface (which Microsoft also does) while at the same time keeping it relatively consistent, which is what Microsoft is prevented from doing.

Also, since Apple relies on selling directly to consumers, they really have to prioritise the user experience.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by shorts_theory » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:09 AM UTC

PascLeRasc wrote: post #39

godzilla82 wrote: post #22

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Have you tried reproducing this with other headphones, 2 channel ones etc.

Not sure if it's present in OS X, but I know at least iOS has impedance memory, so it'll recognize specific headphones and set the volume to what it was last at when they were plugged in. It's a really nice feature.

TIL. That's really cool.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by jakub_g » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:10 AM UTC

setquk wrote: post #110

stefanfisk wrote: post #85

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They are so far ahead of Microsoft when it comes to not annoying of frustrating regular users that they can probably fall for a decade before people start abandoning the platform in any significant numbers. I just tried switching from my MBP to a Surface Laptop, and the bullshit that win 10 makes you deal with is just insane O_O

I disagree with this actually. I've had a MacBook for a number of years and bought a new one (a 2018 MacBook Air). The keyboard on it was awful and stopped working properly resulting in duplicate key hits. I was also fighting half of the OSX software at this point. Mail was getting buggy, iPhoto is just horrid and I'm not even going to start writing the massive rant about Pages / Numbers. Alas I took the MBA back and…

> Also comparing OSX to windows, you can actually mostly drive windows from the keyboard without resorting to hand warping shortcut combinations reminiscent of Megadrive Streetfighter cheat codes.

As a long-time Win user, having wrist pain, this is the killer thing for me. Everything about a Mac feels extremely unergonomic to me. Many things are not doable from keyboard at all. AFAIU most of the Mac developers do all stuff with touchpad so they don't care though.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by wyclif » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:16 AM UTC

tobylane wrote: post #105

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

China has people no longer willing to pay for iPhones. Everywhere else it's not changed much year on year. There was great demand for stock buybacks, Apple resisted for a while. I'm surprised to hear a need for 512GB storage, I'd be interested to know how that's used. The upgrade to XS is only minor from the X according to the reviews I've seen/seen summarised. A yearly upgrade isn't common, isn't their target.

And India. And the Philippines. And loads of other developing countries. Meanwhile, Apple killed the best price/value iPhone they offered, the SE.

I just don't understand Apple's current product direction.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by tsmarsh » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:20 AM UTC

setquk wrote: post #110

stefanfisk wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are so far ahead of Microsoft when it comes to not annoying of frustrating regular users that they can probably fall for a decade before people start abandoning the platform in any significant numbers. I just tried switching from my MBP to a Surface Laptop, and the bullshit that win 10 makes you deal with is just insane O_O

I disagree with this actually. I've had a MacBook for a number of years and bought a new one (a 2018 MacBook Air). The keyboard on it was awful and stopped working properly resulting in duplicate key hits. I was also fighting half of the OSX software at this point. Mail was getting buggy, iPhoto is just horrid and I'm not even going to start writing the massive rant about Pages / Numbers. Alas I took the MBA back and…

As far as driving OSX from the keyboard... yeah, it doesn't go out of its way to teach you how, but there are some pretty deep keyboard shortcuts. Of real note is readline, which is built into every text box. You can use emacs/readline shortcuts everywhere, and because of the ctrl / cmd separation it doesn't interfere with the basic shortcuts.

I've been using Windows 10 more and more over the last 2 years. Its fine. For the first time in a long time I don't feel like Windows is slowing me down, especially now it has sub-system for linux. Its still annoying that processes can lock access to files... but thats small potatoes.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:43 AM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #69

threeseed wrote: post #51

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You definitely ticked all the cliches. Complains about: 1) Apple products being expensive but buys the most expensive one. 2) Being forced to use iTunes even though it hasn't been needed for any reason for quite some time. 3) Quality getting progressively worse based purely on anecdotes. And of course the "I own Apple products and shares therefore my opinion is important" line. Always a classic.

I just had to use ITunes the other day. It’s the only way to load an ipsw onto an iPhone.

I use it all the time, it's really not that bad.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by tobylane » Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 10:50 AM UTC

StreamBright wrote: post #113

tobylane wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has people no longer willing to pay for iPhones. Everywhere else it's not changed much year on year. There was great demand for stock buybacks, Apple resisted for a while. I'm surprised to hear a need for 512GB storage, I'd be interested to know how that's used. The upgrade to XS is only minor from the X according to the reviews I've seen/seen summarised. A yearly upgrade isn't common, isn't their target.

>> I'm surprised to hear a need for 512GB storage How should I store my lossless audio files then? I have a 6s and I am continuously having issues with space but I won't give up the jack port and nothing can change that. HiFi audio needs additional 10 years before it becomes viable on wireless (battery times, quality, etc.).

I looked into audio quality with minimal tech, ie just a smartphone and earphones. Those two together can’t outperform mp3. If anything can, it needs an amp and headphones. So I bought an adapter and mid range earphones.