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Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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duado wrote: post #59
iainmerrick wrote: post #45

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music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

The main market for Macs are people who want an expensive-looking, high perceived quality machine for emails, Facebook, and Slack.

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Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by gumbi_nz »

deng wrote: post #68
mastazi wrote: post #21

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The article comes from CDM which is a music production website, MacBooks are very popular in that field, and basically all audio producers use external audio interfaces, it's not an uncommon use case. This is not the first time that this type of issues happens (from memory, last year an OSX update broke compatibility with Native Instruments Maschine, a very popular music software). So I think the point that the artic…

This glitch is just another nail in the coffin for using Macs in professional audio setups. Another serious issue is the massively outdated Mac Pro. Yes, a new one will come this year, but many people have switched already. See for instance https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2019/2/7/pro-tool...

I find that truly bizarre. Would people seriously prefer to run a commercial studio and Pro Tools on a windows machine? I've run Logic across a number of versions on various Mac Pros and they're rock solid. I could almost guarantee a very different experience on a PC ....

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

When it comes to (smart)phones, you don't really have much choice. You either consent to being exploited by Google, or you pay a pound of flesh to Apple.

As for the pricing of the phones, nobody is forcing you to upgrade every year. I've done that ever since the original iPhone came out, but when i bought the X, i also decided to only upgrade every 2-3 years to justify the cost.

MacBooks are a sad story though. I'm "stuck" with my 13" retina with the last functional keyboard Apple made. I've tried the keyboard on the newer models (in store), and i'm not a fan.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by AnthonBerg »

duado wrote: post #59
iainmerrick wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

The main market for Macs are people who want an expensive-looking, high perceived quality machine for emails, Facebook, and Slack.

Do you have data to support that claim?

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by stefanfisk »

blihp wrote: post #77
iainmerrick wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

Consumers. (i.e. casual computer users who aren't terribly demanding in any particular dimension) Unfortunately they've been flocking in for the 'just works' Apple reputation as it is being un-earned by Apple. But for many in this group, it's probably good enough vs. what they were using before.

They are so far ahead of Microsoft when it comes to not annoying of frustrating regular users that they can probably fall for a decade before people start abandoning the platform in any significant numbers.

I just tried switching from my MBP to a Surface Laptop, and the bullshit that win 10 makes you deal with is just insane O_O

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by isostatic »

duado wrote: post #59
iainmerrick wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

The main market for Macs are people who want an expensive-looking, high perceived quality machine for emails, Facebook, and Slack.

Pretty much what I use my macbook air for - £900 back in 2013, battery still lasts several hours. The electrical tape over the webcam reduces the 'expensive looking' part.

For real work on the road I use my t410s and ubuntu (although the hinge has now gone, which is a right pain), but most of the time I do real work I'm at home and use my z440 HP workstation (also with ubuntu)

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by rienbdj »

komali2 wrote: post #7

That's a weird glitch, and generally I'm not a fan of apple hardware (I think it's overpriced, that their keyboards suck, that they don't have enough ports, and I don't enjoy working in osx), but this article comes off as almost biblically haughty. Apple should have tests around clock updates affecting external audio quality? I mean, maybe after this bug being discovered, sure, but before, was that a connection that…

with Linux you have chosen to step outside of the mainstream, and for support that means figuring it out yourself. the fact that lenovo released the patch actually goes beyond what we would expect. when you go with Apple, you are paying a premium so that everything "just works". they should be held to a higher standard.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by madsbuch »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #79
iainmerrick wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

Lots of salt in this thread. I have a Mac because I enjoy it the most for software development. It's not a status symbol because, well, almost everyone here has a Mac. The alternatives are Windows-based laptops - who often lag behind software development support (e.g. ports), or Linux which is still just not good enough for desktop use. I use Windows at home for not-development and have used both Windows and Linux fo…

I have been using linux desktops for almost 10 years as my primary environments. When I occasionally return to windows, I find that it is less usable for how I utilize my computer.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by rienbdj »

blinkingled wrote: post #12
komali2 wrote: post #7

That's a weird glitch, and generally I'm not a fan of apple hardware (I think it's overpriced, that their keyboards suck, that they don't have enough ports, and I don't enjoy working in osx), but this article comes off as almost biblically haughty. Apple should have tests around clock updates affecting external audio quality? I mean, maybe after this bug being discovered, sure, but before, was that a connection that…

> You have to install a BIOS update. To be fair though even without S3 sleep it is easy to drop Linux power consumption on the X1C6 to ~2.5-3W with display off and no Linux user worth their salt is afraid of installing a BIOS update which literally adds a 'Linux' mode for sleep after which it's flawless. The BIOS update even installs without needing Windows now a days - LVFS even.

If only it actually did work flawlessly. YMMV

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by blattimwind »

baybal2 wrote: post #43
jes5199 wrote: post #13

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ugh I need to install that update. My X1 doesn’t even sleep right in Windows

> ugh I need to install that update. My X1 doesn’t even sleep right in Windows So, it is even Thinkpad guys who can't write proper bioses these days? Is there a single laptop out there where you can say the bios is truly flawless?

> Is there a single laptop out there where you can say the bios is truly flawless?

Board firmware (laptops, desktops, servers) is pretty much always crap.

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