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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by ls612 »

Frondo wrote: post #579
malvosenior wrote: post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like the ACLU. Free speech is very important. If someone has something objectionable to say, let them expose themselves. Censorship solves nothing.

Just look at how state-backed censorship laws have turned Germany and Canada into totalitarian hellholes. Yeah, right. HN stans for white supremacy because it's mostly white and extremely online and never gets out to see the results of "give everyone a soapbox" on the streets where the proud boys are out there beating the shit out of people. You people are cowards, and nothing more. There's no bravery here, no princi…

Says the brave man yelling at people on the internet from his chair.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by xvector »

elsurudo wrote: post #577
eridius wrote: post #43

Lately I've been getting reCAPTCHA prompts all the time even though I'm not browsing in incognito mode and haven't cleared cookies. All I'm doing is running a very basic ad blocker, using Safari (which blocks third-party tracking), and very rarely loading a Google site. The most interaction I have with Google is when I end up having to use my corporate Google account as SSO for some other site. Given that I'm not doi…

I use Safari on a Mac with a simple ad blocker, but I use a lot of Google products, and I also get a captcha most of the time. So perhaps it's Safari and/or the ad blocker that are to blame? Hard to say, though.

This is likely due to the new canvas fingerprinting protections introduced in iOS 12 and Safari for Mojave. Google's NHT analyzers probably don't take well to these measures that attempt to defeat canvas fingerprinting.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by JonathonW »

sl1ck731 wrote: post #597
renlo wrote: post #594

I’ve had a number of reCAPTCHA incidents where I could not pass the test for tens of images, it was a very frustrating experience. Please do not use reCAPTCHA. The items one is supposed to select often overlap the grids, so it becomes a kind of Keynesian Beauty Contest[1] at that point; I assume they validate based on how much in alignment you are with previous answers, so it becomes a problem of “What nearby grids w…

Are reCAPTCHA images used to train or classify data like Mechanical Turk? I thought at one point the word ones were used that way and was a major incentive for their usage.

Original reCAPTCHA images were used to transcribe text for Google Books, and later to transcribe house numbers for Google Street View.

I don't think Google's publicly said what they do with any data derived from the new "I'm not a robot" reCAPTCHA, but, given the content it usually uses, it seems likely that they're still using it for image classification in Street View, or for their self-driving car projects.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by JoshTko »

retro64 wrote: post #595
renlo wrote: post #594

I’ve had a number of reCAPTCHA incidents where I could not pass the test for tens of images, it was a very frustrating experience. Please do not use reCAPTCHA. The items one is supposed to select often overlap the grids, so it becomes a kind of Keynesian Beauty Contest[1] at that point; I assume they validate based on how much in alignment you are with previous answers, so it becomes a problem of “What nearby grids w…

You’re overthinking it. I have had a similar experience. The worst were the “stop light” questions. Does it mean the pole, the light, the tiny corner overlapping another square? I used to try to include everything as it was technically true. Very frustrating – until I finally started to not care. Click on the most obvious pictures. Click click click. Done. Get it wrong? Click click click on the next one. Way faster w…

Just a suggestion to not say "You're overthinking it" it can be considered pretty dismissive.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by JohnFen »

dudus wrote: post #321
JohnFen wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is just a Javascript API that gives you a score Yes, this is the worst of them all, as it will completely lock me out of websites that use it.

I don't think that's the goal. Nowhere they suggest locking people out though def it is possible. The idea is that the website can choose to be more cautious about that user, requiring 2FAuth, flagging for possible credit card fraud and comment moderation. I think these are all good use cases.

It will lock me out of the websites because it requires me to enable Google Javascript code to execute, which is something I will not do. I allow very little JS to execute at all, and I don't allow any from advertising companies or entities that report to advertising companies.

I understand the reasons why sites may want to do this sort of thing, but personally, the cost of allowing this to happen in my browsing is simply too high.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by JohnFen »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #323
JohnFen wrote: post #253

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But I don't use those services, so that can't be my compensation.

Your compensation is access to the website that uses Recaptcha and the fewer abuse/bots that you deal with on that platform. For example, since you're here and HN uses Recaptcha on its register/login form, it seems like the compensation was adequate.

> Your compensation is access to the website that uses Recaptcha

Which is one of the reasons why the presence of reCAPTCHA is strong push to avoid that site.

> since you're here and HN uses Recaptcha on its register/login form, it seems like the compensation was adequate.

Perhaps so. I don't remember doing a CAPTCHA to sign up, but I don't dispute that I did it. However, I've never been presented with one after signup. If I was, I wouldn't be here.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by sudshekhar »

yeutterg wrote: post #583

After reading this thread yesterday, I had a nightmare in which I called 911 but was required to answer an endless stream of personal verification questions, never able to report the problem.

I faced this recently when my card was skimmed and I saw some fraud transactions. After blocking the card, I tried reaching customer support, but my bank's IVR refused to recognize the card number (mandatory to talk to fraud folks apparently) and thus, didn't let me through.

Had to reach out to them on twitter to get things moving. Horrible stuff.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by JohnFen »

jopsen wrote: post #263
JohnFen wrote: post #251

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> it almost certainly wouldn't be affordable for low-traffic blogs and the like Very few low-traffic blogs that I see use (or need) CAPTCHAs. I know that the ones I run don't. > I don't love the compromise of paying for things with my data or by training Google's AI, but it's hard to say users aren't getting anything out of it. I don't think they are getting much, if anything out of it -- aside from being increasingl…

My personal blog has a spam filter for comments.. it's either that or captcha.. or sign in with Google/Facebook.

My sites use a spam filter as well. I find that it's perfectly adequate.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by retro64 »

JoshTko wrote: post #604
retro64 wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re overthinking it. I have had a similar experience. The worst were the “stop light” questions. Does it mean the pole, the light, the tiny corner overlapping another square? I used to try to include everything as it was technically true. Very frustrating – until I finally started to not care. Click on the most obvious pictures. Click click click. Done. Get it wrong? Click click click on the next one. Way faster w…

Just a suggestion to not say "You're overthinking it" it can be considered pretty dismissive.

Maybe a cultural thing? For me, "you're over thinking it" is a familiar/friendly way of expressing an idea, similar to how you would approach a friend. It was not intended to be dismissive.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by xnevs »

JoshTko wrote: post #604
retro64 wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re overthinking it. I have had a similar experience. The worst were the “stop light” questions. Does it mean the pole, the light, the tiny corner overlapping another square? I used to try to include everything as it was technically true. Very frustrating – until I finally started to not care. Click on the most obvious pictures. Click click click. Done. Get it wrong? Click click click on the next one. Way faster w…

Just a suggestion to not say "You're overthinking it" it can be considered pretty dismissive.

You're overthinking that.
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