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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by dudus »

JohnFen wrote: post #304
dudus wrote: post #122

This is reCAPTCHA v2. There's even a v3 that does not have a checkbox at all. Is just a Javascript API that gives you a score between 1.0 and 0.0 on how likely a user is a bot or not. I suspect it uses the same ideas of this one, maybe more since the article is a bit outdated. https://developers.google.com/identity/protocols/OAuth2#inst...

> Is just a Javascript API that gives you a score Yes, this is the worst of them all, as it will completely lock me out of websites that use it.

I don't think that's the goal. Nowhere they suggest locking people out though def it is possible. The idea is that the website can choose to be more cautious about that user, requiring 2FAuth, flagging for possible credit card fraud and comment moderation. I think these are all good use cases.

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Post by amirhirsch »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #297
lallinuo wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be interested what https://hcaptcha.com is doing.

I don't really understand the case where you'd use this. First, it seems tacky scrounging for peanuts from the users' captcha work. Or it's like a product/services website showing Adsense ads. It's a cheapening message to send. Second, since you make more money from more captcha volume, you're incentivized to maximize your use of captcha which is at odds with every complaint in this comments section about captcha. Mo…

Is it somehow less tacky to give that value away to Google for free?

Sites can set the difficulty level necessary for their application. Some are under continual targeted attack, others are mainly keeping out rogue automated spambots from their comments section.

The user is typically getting a free service, a better site experience due to less bot traffic, or both. I think sharing the value of their work with the website is a fair deal.

As for using blockchain tech for ledger functions, that is all under the hood: websites can cash out to dollars as they prefer.

(disclosure: work on bot detection at hCaptcha.com)

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Post by hombre_fatal »

JohnFen wrote: post #253
human wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you kidding? Your compensation is all the free apps you get (Gmail, Maps, etc.) You’ll rarely see a Captcha for a paid product once they have your cc info.

But I don't use those services, so that can't be my compensation.

Your compensation is access to the website that uses Recaptcha and the fewer abuse/bots that you deal with on that platform.

For example, since you're here and HN uses Recaptcha on its register/login form, it seems like the compensation was adequate.

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Post by gjs278 »

Frondo wrote: post #188
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #62

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Isn't cloudflare the org that "Doesnt censor under any circumstances", and then turned around and censored white supremacists? Not that I agree with them (I DONT!), but it was a full 180. And also, isn't cloudflare also the one to allow booters and stressers to be online behind CF - and they used stolen CC's to boot? The Tor decisions to screw users over is just the cherry on top. Especially is egregious is when a ca…

Everyone should censor and shun white supremacists. They have no place in modern society. When they shed their noxious views, we can all welcome them back with open arms.

as long as you censor the black supremacists and females that say "all men are trash", sure

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by Jill_the_Pill »

codeulike wrote: post #128

Its getting weird when you have to fill that box in with pen and paper Marci Robin was buying a Fiat 500X from a West Palm Beach, Florida dealership, and was in the final stages of signing all the paperwork, when she was presented with a strange but simple question: was she a robot? This wasn’t online or anything, she was right there, in person, in front of the sales person, who wanted her to check a box, with a pen,…

Dealership's just getting ready for autonomous vehicles that try to sneak out.

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Post by darkpuma »

ianferrel wrote: post #204
gcb0 wrote: post #202

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they stopped using the text because some forum campaign that promoted typing cursewords instead of the unkown word. they probably started showing cursewords on the rendered search highligths on google books. there was a decent write up from a whitehat showing the damage, but I can't find it

Cite? I can't imagine some forum has enough traffic to meaningfully screw up their data, and they don't tell you which of the two words is the unknown word, so you're just going to fail a lot doing that.

4chan was doing it specifically with a six letter racial slur that's unrepeatable.

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Post by sjwright »

Kalium wrote: post #7
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #2

The box has made browsing using TOR insufferable! It fusses and makes me click storefronts and traffic lights until I run out of patience and close out of whatever webpage I was trying to visit. I assume it has to do with a lack of Google cookies on the browser, essentially punishing me for trying to protect my privacy.

This might surprise you, but it actually has to do with what traffic coming out of TOR looks like. Well in excess of 90% of traffic coming out of TOR is spam, bots, malicious, or some combination! Google isn't going out of their way to punish you for trying to protect your privacy. They're trying to stop unwanted traffic. By unfortunate happenstance, you appear to be disguising yourself in the exact same way a shocki…

As a webmaster I can confirm that I hard block all TOR traffic for this exact reason. 90% of this traffic is malicious robotic junk of some form.

Also, I’m just not interested in the remaining 10% "legit" traffic from people who are aggressively paranoid about their privacy. Almost all of them ended up being dickheads who were using TOR to abuse other members of our community.

To the people who think every website should treat TOR users with respect, please understand that you are intentionally making yourself indistinguishable from the mountain of robotic junk, abuse and human dickheads. It's not my fault that you have chosen to do this, and it's not my job to provide you with tools to prove you're not a dickhead.

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Post by bonestamp2 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #297
lallinuo wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be interested what https://hcaptcha.com is doing.

I don't really understand the case where you'd use this. First, it seems tacky scrounging for peanuts from the users' captcha work. Or it's like a product/services website showing Adsense ads. It's a cheapening message to send. Second, since you make more money from more captcha volume, you're incentivized to maximize your use of captcha which is at odds with every complaint in this comments section about captcha. Mo…

> it doesn't address the upstream complaint that someone else is profiting off the user's "work" rather than the user

If it means no/fewer ads to support a site then the user benefits because they don't have to pay real money to keep the site up.

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Post by felipemnoa »

codeulike wrote: post #250
shawnz wrote: post #247

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Were you using an unusual user agent or a VPN or something?

Twist: he is a robot, and when he sent them a photo, it was a robot photo. Square metal head, lights for eyes, antenna coming out the top. The works.

That would have been hilarious! Somebody should try it when they I accuse you of being a robot.
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