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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by cortesoft »

rothron wrote: post #141
codeulike wrote: post #128

Its getting weird when you have to fill that box in with pen and paper Marci Robin was buying a Fiat 500X from a West Palm Beach, Florida dealership, and was in the final stages of signing all the paperwork, when she was presented with a strange but simple question: was she a robot? This wasn’t online or anything, she was right there, in person, in front of the sales person, who wanted her to check a box, with a pen,…

This would've made an awesome SciFi short story. The twist at the end is that she's lying.

Isn't that basically 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep'?

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Post by SahAssar »

Freak_NL wrote: post #72
nomel wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually have a few screenshots where the task was impossible since the data was mislabeled. The latest example was "click all of the buses". It wouldn't let me continue because I wouldn't select the fire truck. My naive assumption is that you should click the "refresh" button in these cases.

Just click whatever you suspect is needed to pass. Don't go above and beyond trying to give the actual right answer; you're just feeding some proprietary database owned by Google. QA for it is their problem.

There is some alternate (or future) reality where a google self driving car accident is blamed on bad training data from CAPTCHAs.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by dawnerd »

miguelmota wrote: post #156

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

For a while there they kept saying I was wrong and it would effectively lock me out of some accounts that required it. Recently it’s stopped but it’s super annoying how ambiguous it is.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by cortesoft »

imtringued wrote: post #143
Kalium wrote: post #7

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This might surprise you, but it actually has to do with what traffic coming out of TOR looks like. Well in excess of 90% of traffic coming out of TOR is spam, bots, malicious, or some combination! Google isn't going out of their way to punish you for trying to protect your privacy. They're trying to stop unwanted traffic. By unfortunate happenstance, you appear to be disguising yourself in the exact same way a shocki…

>This might surprise you, but it actually has to do with what traffic coming out of TOR looks like. That's a massive load of bullshit. Google has a captcha challenge that only humans can solve. That alone is already sufficient to prevent unwanted traffic. That is how every captcha system works. However google is an exception. If you're logged in to a google account or are using chrome then google can use that informa…

If you are using TOR, and not accepting cookies, they are going to have no way of knowing that you are the same user who just solved the CAPTCHA. Every request is going to appear to be from a new user.

If you do everything you can to prevent google from knowing who you are, don't be surprised when they behave like they don't know who you are.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by notriddle »

scrooched_moose wrote: post #47
pixl97 wrote: post #26

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Turn off javascript, mostly. To hide your ip you need to use a VPN.

Is noscript still the best for that? I haven't looked at other options in a long time.

uMatrix doesn't correctly work with the `` tag, which breaks a lot of sites that attempt to implement progressive enhancement.

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Post by wwweston »

littleweep wrote: post #163
miguelmota wrote: post #156

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Where is our compensation? It's our time and brain power training Google's AI that will one day be sold back to us. I'm really not into this.

Google's services, of course.

Is it worth it?

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by shawnz »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #223
codeulike wrote: post #128

Its getting weird when you have to fill that box in with pen and paper Marci Robin was buying a Fiat 500X from a West Palm Beach, Florida dealership, and was in the final stages of signing all the paperwork, when she was presented with a strange but simple question: was she a robot? This wasn’t online or anything, she was right there, in person, in front of the sales person, who wanted her to check a box, with a pen,…

I had roughly the same problem. My facebook career lasted for all of thirty seconds before they decided I was a robot and banned my account. I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal. Very helpful. So my choices from that point are to 1) shame them in the media and hope its an entertaining enough story that people like it or 2)…

Were you using an unusual user agent or a VPN or something?

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Post by have_faith »

ianferrel wrote: post #204
gcb0 wrote: post #202

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they stopped using the text because some forum campaign that promoted typing cursewords instead of the unkown word. they probably started showing cursewords on the rendered search highligths on google books. there was a decent write up from a whitehat showing the damage, but I can't find it

Cite? I can't imagine some forum has enough traffic to meaningfully screw up their data, and they don't tell you which of the two words is the unknown word, so you're just going to fail a lot doing that.

This was extremely common on 4chan maybe 7 or so years back I can't remember the exact year and it worked for a very long time before anything was done about it and everyone knew to do it. Google asked for two words and presented them as two different fonts. The real word that needed transcribing was always identifiable and you could just write what you wanted as long as you got the second test word correct. Much fun was had.

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Post by askvictor »

shawnz wrote: post #247
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had roughly the same problem. My facebook career lasted for all of thirty seconds before they decided I was a robot and banned my account. I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal. Very helpful. So my choices from that point are to 1) shame them in the media and hope its an entertaining enough story that people like it or 2)…

Were you using an unusual user agent or a VPN or something?

Why would they bother checking the user agent when it's the easiest thing to spoof (really, you probably can't even call it spoofing)

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Post by codeulike »

shawnz wrote: post #247
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had roughly the same problem. My facebook career lasted for all of thirty seconds before they decided I was a robot and banned my account. I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal. Very helpful. So my choices from that point are to 1) shame them in the media and hope its an entertaining enough story that people like it or 2)…

Were you using an unusual user agent or a VPN or something?

Twist: he is a robot, and when he sent them a photo, it was a robot photo. Square metal head, lights for eyes, antenna coming out the top. The works.
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