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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

#591

At SerpApi.com, we built a bot to check these boxes and an AI to solve the actual CAPTCHA. Checking the box is actually not that hard. There is no advanced measurements of your mouse and touch speed. This is an Internet myth. It's more a game of cookies, making them age well, and having an organic set of headers.

Aren’t you afraid of being sued by Google for selling their search results?

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

#592

At SerpApi.com, we built a bot to check these boxes and an AI to solve the actual CAPTCHA. Checking the box is actually not that hard. There is no advanced measurements of your mouse and touch speed. This is an Internet myth. It's more a game of cookies, making them age well, and having an organic set of headers.

The misconceptions about nonhuman/invalid traffic (NHT) seem like a problem brewing. There's an arms race between the NHT guys (e.g. ad fraud networks) and the guys trying to detect it (e.g. ad providers). Meanwhile, a lot of people are using analytics to inform decision making assuming most traffic is legitimate (e.g. news organizations, anyone doing A/B testing). The guys naively using analytics with weak feature detection may be totally unprepared to deal with nonhuman traffic from repurposed networks which have been optimized to defeat the more advanced countermeasures =/

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better safe than sorry, there are enough people who think context doesn't matter.

So what's going to happen if you write "nigger" that you're so unwilling to write it? It's not like you'd be calling someone a nigger, you'd be using it in a clearly informative manner,

My understanding is that some folks have gotten in trouble anyway. Good luck to you!

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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I’ve had a number of reCAPTCHA incidents where I could not pass the test for tens of images, it was a very frustrating experience. Please do not use reCAPTCHA.

The items one is supposed to select often overlap the grids, so it becomes a kind of Keynesian Beauty Contest[1] at that point; I assume they validate based on how much in alignment you are with previous answers, so it becomes a problem of “What nearby grids would a person reasonably select when there’s overlap”, or, you’re tasked at selecting and you see in the distant background of the image you’re supposed to classify and you need to determine “How visible would need to be for a reasonable person to classify as being in this image”.

On top of this, when you’re clicking through image after image after image, the additional frustrating thing is that you’re helping train their algorithms; you’re doing work because their service isn’t smart enough to know you’re human, or, you’re seen as a marginal customer they can piss off by forcing you to work for them for free.

It’s a frustrating experience when it fails, and my current strategy is to leave the website when the ‘I’m not a robot’ checkbox fails.

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_beauty_contest

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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post #594

I’ve had a number of reCAPTCHA incidents where I could not pass the test for tens of images, it was a very frustrating experience. Please do not use reCAPTCHA. The items one is supposed to select often overlap the grids, so it becomes a kind of Keynesian Beauty Contest[1] at that point; I assume they validate based on how much in alignment you are with previous answers, so it becomes a problem of “What nearby grids w…

You’re overthinking it. I have had a similar experience. The worst were the “stop light” questions. Does it mean the pole, the light, the tiny corner overlapping another square? I used to try to include everything as it was technically true. Very frustrating – until I finally started to not care. Click on the most obvious pictures. Click click click. Done. Get it wrong? Click click click on the next one. Way faster with a much better success rate doing so. It usually only takes a couple of tries now.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better safe than sorry, there are enough people who think context doesn't matter.

So what's going to happen if you write "nigger" that you're so unwilling to write it? It's not like you'd be calling someone a nigger, you'd be using it in a clearly informative manner,

I don't care to find out.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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post #594

I’ve had a number of reCAPTCHA incidents where I could not pass the test for tens of images, it was a very frustrating experience. Please do not use reCAPTCHA. The items one is supposed to select often overlap the grids, so it becomes a kind of Keynesian Beauty Contest[1] at that point; I assume they validate based on how much in alignment you are with previous answers, so it becomes a problem of “What nearby grids w…

Are reCAPTCHA images used to train or classify data like Mechanical Turk? I thought at one point the word ones were used that way and was a major incentive for their usage.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

#598

After reading this thread yesterday, I had a nightmare in which I called 911 but was required to answer an endless stream of personal verification questions, never able to report the problem.

This already happens with many automated service call centers: endless key tapping before an actual carbon based lifeform who can understand the problem picks up.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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post #594

I’ve had a number of reCAPTCHA incidents where I could not pass the test for tens of images, it was a very frustrating experience. Please do not use reCAPTCHA. The items one is supposed to select often overlap the grids, so it becomes a kind of Keynesian Beauty Contest[1] at that point; I assume they validate based on how much in alignment you are with previous answers, so it becomes a problem of “What nearby grids w…

reCAPTCHA is horrible. I am almost certain that some tests are intentionally marked as failed even if they are correct, simply so they can get more training in. And if you take any anonymizing measures, reCAPTCHA makes much of the web nigh impossible to use.

It's easily the worst UX I encounter online. I can't describe the relief I feel when I come across a "normal" CAPTCHA. It's coming to the point that if I could pay a few cents to outsource every reCAPTCHA, I gladly would simply to avoid this atrocity.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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post #594

I’ve had a number of reCAPTCHA incidents where I could not pass the test for tens of images, it was a very frustrating experience. Please do not use reCAPTCHA. The items one is supposed to select often overlap the grids, so it becomes a kind of Keynesian Beauty Contest[1] at that point; I assume they validate based on how much in alignment you are with previous answers, so it becomes a problem of “What nearby grids w…

Are reCAPTCHA images used to train or classify data like Mechanical Turk? I thought at one point the word ones were used that way and was a major incentive for their usage.

They are almost certainly being used to train Google's self-driving/Maps/etc recognition.
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