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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by jgrahamc »

morpheuskafka wrote: post #68
byte1918 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are partially wrong. Maybe Google is not doing this intentionally but it also doesn't happen just because traffic is coming out of a tor node. I am using ff with some of the recommended extensions from https://www.privacytools.io/ and I get to fill in traffic signs all the time. And yes I am logged into Google.

I think what OP is talking about is Cloudflare not Google's decision. Google provides the CATCHPA API but Cloudflare decides to flag nearly all Tor traffic and make it go through the CATCHPA.

Sigh. We changed this so long ago yet people repeat this over and over again. Do you use the Tor Browser? Please show me a site on Cloudflare which uses CAPTCHA on Tor.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by lloeki »

mcv wrote: post #480
_pmf_ wrote: post #465

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> I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal. That's the plot of Blade Runner 2.

I would have sent them a photo of a robot.

I would have disguised as a robot and sent them a picture of me.

Ironically sending a robot picture is the best proof that you're not one, since robots don't have a sense of humour (yet).

Wait; lightbulb moment; someone has to run a NN against a dad joke DB and learn AI to crack some (like the generated face stuff).

Well this is the internets and all, so I suppose it's been done before but no one would admit to owning such a big enough dad joke DB...

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by codeulike »

INTPenis wrote: post #487
codeulike wrote: post #128

Its getting weird when you have to fill that box in with pen and paper Marci Robin was buying a Fiat 500X from a West Palm Beach, Florida dealership, and was in the final stages of signing all the paperwork, when she was presented with a strange but simple question: was she a robot? This wasn’t online or anything, she was right there, in person, in front of the sales person, who wanted her to check a box, with a pen,…

It made for funny headlines but anyone with a little insight into corporate can guess that they simply printed a form from their computer. Likely from their website. A form normally designed to be used online was sent over paper mail and happened to include online elements like captcha. If anything you should exclude such html elements from the print page with css.

Well yes obviously they had printed out an online form. But they made her fill it in. Thats the funny bit. And yes its clearly to do with employees not quite knowing what to do with the paper version and so just shrugging and say yep you'd better fill it in anyway. Thats all pretty obvious. Its still interesting though, as a little slice of corporate anthropology.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by seventhtiger »

tomatocracy wrote: post #499
seventhtiger wrote: post #443

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It's the same with email for example. I've helped a friend roll out his own server because he doesn't want Google reading his emails. Fair enough, but you won't get Google's spam filter or availability either, which your privacy was paying for.

I do this. Funnily enough one of the reasons I did it was because Google’s spam filters gave me too many false positives and my gmail account attracted enough spam that sorting through manually was a pain.

Has it been a good experience for you? What are you using?

My point was just that even if something is provided to the customer for free, doesn't mean it's easy to produce. That causes a lot of the issues my non-tech friends have with understanding the scope of work. Just because social media is free and easy to set up as a customer doesn't mean developing a social media is easy at all.

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Post by dingaling »

echelon wrote: post #370
defertoreptar wrote: post #338

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Just throwing this out there. Have you considered that maybe you are a robot?

I know this comment is in jest, but please don't joke on Hacker News as you would on Reddit. Posts like this add little informational content, spawn a thread of joke responses, and take time away from hundreds of people who are here to read high signal commentary. Sorry to be so profoundly un-fun. edit: I'm being downvoted, but consider the comment chain this has generated.

Humour is fine here so long as it makes the audience think. Which the comment did.

If mainstream systems suggest that a human is acting like a robot, then what is a robot and what is human? That's pretty profound.

It seems that we're nearing the point that anyone who thinks and acts rationally and contrary to consumptive norms is indistinguishable on a coarse scale from a logical machine.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by mcv »

peteretep wrote: post #424
forgotmypw2 wrote: post #222

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Don't forget the bonus: all your forum accounts can be linked to your google account, just in case you didn't use your gmail as the email address.

Self-destructing cookies is a solution

Not if Google has collected enough other identifying information about you to determine whether or not you're a robot.

But I'm kinda hoping that the reason I keep having to identify cars and store fronts is that my refusal of third-party cookies is causing them to have no idea who I am. But that might be the optimistic view.

In any case, I wouldn't mind if sites stopped using recaptcha.

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Post by likeclockwork »

palunon wrote: post #510
kaybe wrote: post #476

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Are there rules against selling to robots? I mean, a great portion of the stock exchange is just that, essentially, no?

Robots can't own property, as they are not recognized as a person. You may sell to someone represented by a robot, but you're not selling to the robot. When using a vending machine, your making a trade with the vending machine company, not the machine itself.

Can a robot be the sole asset, employee, and officer of a corporation?

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by speedplane »

There a many services that can get around a Google Recaptcha. They are not free, but cost roughly $2 for 1000 recaptchas. This means is that recaptcha makes things more expensive, but still surmountable.

Services that use recaptcha should consider why they are using them. Preventing spam, stealing proprietary data, and preventing actual harm are legitimate reasons. On the other hand, stopping free information from becoming truly free is bad. For example, numerous U.S. government agencies use captchas to prevent scraping or analyzing of public documents. These government organizations provide "public access" in the narrowest possible sense, making it difficult to search for a specific record or analyze data in bulk. If they can't do it, they should allow others to try.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by mcv »

rapnie wrote: post #262
tracker1 wrote: post #162

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That's what ReCaptcha always was... it was originally a known and another unsure text blurb from scanned books/text documents. Now it's street signs etc.

Isn't there a good OSS alternative for ReCaptcha?

I'm doubtful about any good solution for having computers decide whether we are sufficiently human.
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