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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

I always try and click one or two extra boxes that are wrong. Sure I sometimes have to go through and confirm extra images, but you know what? I don't work for free and so I'm doing my small part to bugger up Google's data set.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Twist: he is a robot, and when he sent them a photo, it was a robot photo. Square metal head, lights for eyes, antenna coming out the top. The works.

I would assume a submitted photo of a robot would go over just as well as when I was once asked to add a picture to the company's internal website of employees by our HR dept. I never add photos of me to anything, so instead, in good humor, downloaded a random anonymous silhouette type avatar. That didn't work for them, and I was told "I need a picture of you". So, I open up photoshop, found a generic picture frame o…

In much the same situation, I just said NO. A protracted argument unfolded over the next few days until the matter was settled by me skimming a copy of the Conditions Of Service booklet across the desk and saying, "Show me where it says I have to." Immediate manager was not happy, but it soon blew over.

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post #179

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I think what OP is talking about is Cloudflare not Google's decision. Google provides the CATCHPA API but Cloudflare decides to flag nearly all Tor traffic and make it go through the CATCHPA.

Cloudflare is a good actor, they offer the PrivacyPass extension that basically generates 30 auth tokens from one CAPTCHA challenge and then uses those until it needs new tokens. Sadly the overwhelming majority of sites doesn't use CAPTCHA through CloudFlare but directly through Google, rendering PrivacyPass moot.

Cloudflare is the scum of the internet. They've put a crazy amount of effort towards making wide swathes of the internet unusable for people trying to protect their identity and privacy. I wouldn't trust their implementation of Privacy Pass.

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The worst thing is that Cloudfare is using ReCaptcha, and it's everywhere. The internet is broken at this point.

CloudFlare at least is using a thing where you only have to solve a ReCaptcha once, and then you can cryptographically prove you did, without compromising anonymity.

PrivacyPass does not work.

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This might surprise you, but it actually has to do with what traffic coming out of TOR looks like. Well in excess of 90% of traffic coming out of TOR is spam, bots, malicious, or some combination! Google isn't going out of their way to punish you for trying to protect your privacy. They're trying to stop unwanted traffic. By unfortunate happenstance, you appear to be disguising yourself in the exact same way a shocki…

Not just for Tor. I use Firefox with a few basic extensions (Privacy badger, uBlock, Google Container) yet every time I am presented with having to pick out traffic lights over and over and over again. I usually have about 5 or 6 "challenges" before I give up and use another site. My timezone has not changed, my IP address and rough location has not changed, my screensize has not changed, my broadband speed has not c…

I use chrome with Privacy Badger + uBlock Origin and I have to solve the CAPTCHAs every single fucking time. I even have to solve them multiple times. At this point I just leave a page if they have one of those captchas.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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OTOH, succeeding at self-driving cars has the potential to save lives by the thousands.

And if they succeed to much they can monopolize transportation and thus mobility. Not a power I want to have in a private company. Especially not in a company from outside my country's jurisdiction. Where I can't have an impact via democratic law making process.

> Especially not in a company from outside my country's jurisdiction. Where I can't have an impact via democratic law making process.

This is false. EU governments have already placed significant restrictions and fines upon US tech companies in the past. There is no reason to believe that they won't be able to again.

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post #441

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I had my “wow” this place might not be that good experience with Quora yesterday when I was trying to google evaluate AWS workmail. Quite a lot of the “extremely good looking” answers on Quora straight up said that you couldn’t do e-mail in AWS. These were answers from after workmail was a thing by the way. So I started looking at other Quora answers on stuff I wouldn’t normally need an answer for, and it’s frighteni…

My experience with Quora has been that more often than not the older the answer, the better it is. I find that answers in history, are often better than in tech. It always seems like the community that initially built Quora, stopped building it further several years ago and now it's floating out in space Wile E. Coyote style.

Quora went significantly downhill a few years back. It was a combination of hordes of new users, bad moderation, and bad incentives (order in which answers get shown etc).

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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I have received a "suspicious activity" warning on Twitter for any new account I've helped open up over the last year. You can confirm your identity by entering your phone number and receiving a text. I feel like it's more of a cheap ploy to get additional info after your first 25 tweets than it is any bot detection algorithm.

It's not, it's really not. They really do want to verify you're a person. Facebook got busted using that (security) info for marketing purposes, and the reaction was muted; but, within the security community, it was loud and angry. Within a week, they had ceased completely.

Where are you getting that they ceased completely? This is a large company who has a vetted history of absolutely zero ethical accountability. The reasonable thought is that they learned to hide it better, not that they stopped doing it at all.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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post #312

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It's actually pretty interesting to see how the captchas have evolved as, presumably, Google decides "OK, we have enough data to consistently identify this thing" and moves on to the next challenge. I recall the modern (non-text) captchas used to be cars pretty much every time. Then, the images started getting grainier as they apparently wanted to improve their recognition in different conditions. Then crosswalks and…

Google: spins off robotic car company Waymo, announcing public-facing robotaxi service launch in 2018 Also Google: "Our standard for 'what a machine couldn't possibly do' is identifying a stop sign."

Isn't the captcha data used specifically to train that AI? That's what they did with the old one at least where it was used to train machines to read.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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post #476

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I can't imagine that a car dealership would even care, as long as they got to sell a car. "Oh dang, you ticked the 'not a robot' box but you are actually a robot ... Ah, no worries, I'll put a call in to head office, get the paperwork changed. Well, enjoy your car! ... And don't forget to come back in six months for your free oil change! ... for the car, I mean."

Are there rules against selling to robots? I mean, a great portion of the stock exchange is just that, essentially, no?

Robots can't own property, as they are not recognized as a person.

You may sell to someone represented by a robot, but you're not selling to the robot.

When using a vending machine, your making a trade with the vending machine company, not the machine itself.

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