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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

not trying to be facetious, isn't that (half of) the point?

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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This might surprise you, but it actually has to do with what traffic coming out of TOR looks like. Well in excess of 90% of traffic coming out of TOR is spam, bots, malicious, or some combination! Google isn't going out of their way to punish you for trying to protect your privacy. They're trying to stop unwanted traffic. By unfortunate happenstance, you appear to be disguising yourself in the exact same way a shocki…

>This might surprise you, but it actually has to do with what traffic coming out of TOR looks like. That's a massive load of bullshit. Google has a captcha challenge that only humans can solve. That alone is already sufficient to prevent unwanted traffic. That is how every captcha system works. However google is an exception. If you're logged in to a google account or are using chrome then google can use that informa…

The tile fade-in is also egregious. The only reason that exists is to punish humans.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

#173

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Where is our compensation? It's our time and brain power training Google's AI that will one day be sold back to us. I'm really not into this.

So you want compensation because your data is used along with millions of others to train an algorithm to distinguish if a bot or a real human to provide a service to you? Nice.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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You've now forced spammers to purchase webcams. And write code or whatever to make realistic mouse movements. This is expensive. Whatever they're doing likely isn't worth it anymore.

fake-users-as-a-service business op? I can see it being possible - racks of "robot arms" that move mice based on whatever criteria is needed (in this case, reCaptcha). It works for 3D printing, as well as device testing - so in theory, this could be done too...

I don't get why you'd need a physical robot arm? Just have a usb device that simulates the mouse movements. Or just software to move the mouse virtually.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

#175

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Where is our compensation? It's our time and brain power training Google's AI that will one day be sold back to us. I'm really not into this.

Are you kidding? Your compensation is all the free apps you get (Gmail, Maps, etc.) You’ll rarely see a Captcha for a paid product once they have your cc info.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

#176

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Where is our compensation? It's our time and brain power training Google's AI that will one day be sold back to us. I'm really not into this.

Your compensation is that you get to use the website, and the website's compensation for putting up a gate for their users is that they get to keep the bots out.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Not just for Tor. I use Firefox with a few basic extensions (Privacy badger, uBlock, Google Container) yet every time I am presented with having to pick out traffic lights over and over and over again. I usually have about 5 or 6 "challenges" before I give up and use another site. My timezone has not changed, my IP address and rough location has not changed, my screensize has not changed, my broadband speed has not c…

> My timezone has not changed, my IP address and rough location has not changed, my screensize has not changed, my broadband speed has not changed, and my general computer dexterity has not changed, yet I am relentlessly targeted. On chrome I never saw these challenges, but on firefox with the privacy plug-ins I am always always always challenged. That's because Google isn't just profiling "Tor users". They're going…

There is no Google "punishment algorithm". It's just computers being dumb.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Wait til it's standing between you and your bank account.

Phone banking hasn’t died yet, luckily.

With the Wells Fargo iOS app all I have to do is stare at the screen for Face ID to kick in and I'm in my account, no captcha needed.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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I think you are partially wrong. Maybe Google is not doing this intentionally but it also doesn't happen just because traffic is coming out of a tor node. I am using ff with some of the recommended extensions from https://www.privacytools.io/ and I get to fill in traffic signs all the time. And yes I am logged into Google.

I think what OP is talking about is Cloudflare not Google's decision. Google provides the CATCHPA API but Cloudflare decides to flag nearly all Tor traffic and make it go through the CATCHPA.

Cloudflare is a good actor, they offer the PrivacyPass extension that basically generates 30 auth tokens from one CAPTCHA challenge and then uses those until it needs new tokens. Sadly the overwhelming majority of sites doesn't use CAPTCHA through CloudFlare but directly through Google, rendering PrivacyPass moot.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

#180
Google runs a very profitable ad network. People who use adblockers don't directly help support their revenue. I have a conspiracy theory that google is making it hard for people running adblock to get through captchas. I want all the code that is used by the captcha to think I'm running a pristine ad displaying browser.

I wonder if recaptcha seeing your ad cookies (and other dark tracking indicators) would be enough to help get through. Like we need a "recaptcha profile" in your browser that would have just enough fingerprint to get you through.

Robots don't watch the ads. Adblock blocks the ads. Google's revenue is mostly ad revenue. I don't think it's coincidence.

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