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Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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> it’s one thing to just be bad at your job and you leak a bunch of data and oops, you didn’t notice that a hacker was in your system like a Kofax for months.

Na, I'm tired of these excuses too. Maybe jail is too extreme in this case, but being sloppy isn't ok. Or not supporting MFA when you're dealing with financial data.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

#32
A tough interpretation of the existing US Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which has criminal penalties, could do much of that right now. See the "exceeds authorized access" provisions. Any slip-up in asking for permission could place a company stealing your data in serious legal jeopardy.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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post #4

Quit expecting governments to save you. The easiest fix for this problem is to stop using these products! No matter how much bad news comes out about Facebook, Apple, Google, and Amazon using your data in bad ways -- people still keep using them. If enough people quit, this will stop or a competitor will rise up who doesn't do this stuff.

I too wish I had the resources to go live in the woods and not deal with the modern world.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equifax is a credit reporting agency. So, for example, someone gets a loan from a bank, then fails to pay it and the bank reports that to them. Other lenders check with them before lending to people. You’re being disingenuous by equating that with theft.

Not patching servers for months and leaving them for attackers to exploit is definitely stealing. It doesn't matter how they got the data, they let others steal it and were therefore complicit in the theft itself due to negligence, willful or not.

Yeah, they didn’t steal your data. They were negligent with storing data on you given to them by lenders, and if you can demonstrate you were actually damaged by their negligence you can join the class action that’s happening. You should have got an email about it. I know I did.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

#35

> ...including jail time, if their companies steal and sell user data, > or allow a massive data breach to occur at their company. What if the government loses our data? Then what? Will they go to jail too? Software is a moving target. It has become such a complex endeavor, always changing, always evolving. It's difficult to determine who's responsible for which part of the system; and by this I'm not suggesting we a…

"loses"? What about collecting, and even forcing private companies to give them your data without telling you? What was disclosed on 2013 is still running.

The reason I don't think this will work is because the government and related contractors are major players on collecting, distributing and hacking private data. And if this works, it won't be because the government will stop doing it, but because want to control who else does.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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post #4

Quit expecting governments to save you. The easiest fix for this problem is to stop using these products! No matter how much bad news comes out about Facebook, Apple, Google, and Amazon using your data in bad ways -- people still keep using them. If enough people quit, this will stop or a competitor will rise up who doesn't do this stuff.

Or if we all get together and decide a company shouldn't behave in a certain way, that's another option. We call that government regulation when we everyone gets together to do that. You can think of it as voting with your money, just without the money part.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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post #4

Quit expecting governments to save you. The easiest fix for this problem is to stop using these products! No matter how much bad news comes out about Facebook, Apple, Google, and Amazon using your data in bad ways -- people still keep using them. If enough people quit, this will stop or a competitor will rise up who doesn't do this stuff.

Exactly! For example I have hired a food taster to try my food, and I'm currently looking for someone willing to be a guinea pig next time I interview a bunch of surgeons for a job.

Of course I had the engineers stand under the bridge while my army was marching across.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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post #22
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don’t know about these issues or don’t care. Also how do you know what company uses your data in bad ways? There are probably plenty of others who do shady stuff you never hear about. We need privacy laws so products that are on the market can be safely used. Otherwise let’s abolish food safety rules and tell people just not to eat at places where food with salmonella gets sold.

I think comparing food safety to data safety is comparing unlike types and levels of safety. No one has ever died from targeted advertising.

Yes I'm sure targeted advertising is the worst thing that can happen from mass profiling.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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post #26

Pitchfork mobs dictating policy, that is why you don't elect an ex state attorney general to the legislative branch: prosecution and grandstanding is all they know. Also the principle concept of "stealing your data" is more ludicrous than "stealing" in the copyright sense; that data is meta data and it's not yours, it was generated by machines you don't own and have no claim over.

> that data is meta data and it's not yours, it was generated by machines you don't own and have no claim over

I'm pretty sure that, for example, the list of grocery brands someone buys using a store loyalty card isn't "metadata", and while "stealing" is hyperbole, I'm pretty sure most people would be upset upon realizing how far and wide that information is being sold.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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post #26

Pitchfork mobs dictating policy, that is why you don't elect an ex state attorney general to the legislative branch: prosecution and grandstanding is all they know. Also the principle concept of "stealing your data" is more ludicrous than "stealing" in the copyright sense; that data is meta data and it's not yours, it was generated by machines you don't own and have no claim over.

I’m really enjoying watching tech transform before my eyes from regulatory optimism to hardened regulatory pessimism.
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