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Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Post by currymj »

Cyclone_ wrote: post #14

What if a data breach happens due to an 0 day exploit with a 3rd party library? Do people from the company where the data breach happened still go to jail then?

as far as I can tell, this bill would only allow jail time if there was a serious breach, at a large company, and higher-ups left it out of an official report they would be required to make to the government.

in other words, all they have to do is fulfill their obligation disclose that they were hit by this 0-day, in order to at least be protected from jail time.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Post by donatj »

maxxxxx wrote: post #9
mimixco wrote: post #4

Quit expecting governments to save you. The easiest fix for this problem is to stop using these products! No matter how much bad news comes out about Facebook, Apple, Google, and Amazon using your data in bad ways -- people still keep using them. If enough people quit, this will stop or a competitor will rise up who doesn't do this stuff.

Most people don’t know about these issues or don’t care. Also how do you know what company uses your data in bad ways? There are probably plenty of others who do shady stuff you never hear about. We need privacy laws so products that are on the market can be safely used. Otherwise let’s abolish food safety rules and tell people just not to eat at places where food with salmonella gets sold.

I think comparing food safety to data safety is comparing unlike types and levels of safety. No one has ever died from targeted advertising.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Post by foobandit »

mimixco wrote: post #4

Quit expecting governments to save you. The easiest fix for this problem is to stop using these products! No matter how much bad news comes out about Facebook, Apple, Google, and Amazon using your data in bad ways -- people still keep using them. If enough people quit, this will stop or a competitor will rise up who doesn't do this stuff.

This isn't going to happen while the problems are still theoretical. Few people care if companies have their data as long as it isn't used against them.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Post by SiempreViernes »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #16
plainOldText wrote: post #11

> ...including jail time, if their companies steal and sell user data, > or allow a massive data breach to occur at their company. What if the government loses our data? Then what? Will they go to jail too? Software is a moving target. It has become such a complex endeavor, always changing, always evolving. It's difficult to determine who's responsible for which part of the system; and by this I'm not suggesting we a…

Yes, but they obviously can't all fit at once so they will have to take turns serving it, just like how all employees of companies are also collectively sentenced.

Seriously though, what sort of question is that, don't you have rule of law in your country?

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Post by simplecomplex »

mnm1 wrote: post #20
mimixco wrote: post #4

Quit expecting governments to save you. The easiest fix for this problem is to stop using these products! No matter how much bad news comes out about Facebook, Apple, Google, and Amazon using your data in bad ways -- people still keep using them. If enough people quit, this will stop or a competitor will rise up who doesn't do this stuff.

Nonsense. Can you provide a way I can get Equifax and similar companies to stop stealing and selling my data? I've been trying to do that for decades. No. Your argument is bullshit. I didn't sign up for this shit and neither did anyone else, yet we still got fucked. How do you propose we fix it now? The cellular companies are still selling my data. Should I not own a cell phone because I can't get a cell plan that wo…

Equifax is a credit reporting agency. So, for example, someone gets a loan from a bank, then fails to pay it and the bank reports that to them. Other lenders check with them before lending to people.

You’re being disingenuous by equating that with theft.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Post by srkmno »

Pitchfork mobs dictating policy, that is why you don't elect an ex state attorney general to the legislative branch: prosecution and grandstanding is all they know.

Also the principle concept of "stealing your data" is more ludicrous than "stealing" in the copyright sense; that data is meta data and it's not yours, it was generated by machines you don't own and have no claim over.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Post by maxxxxx »

donatj wrote: post #22
maxxxxx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don’t know about these issues or don’t care. Also how do you know what company uses your data in bad ways? There are probably plenty of others who do shady stuff you never hear about. We need privacy laws so products that are on the market can be safely used. Otherwise let’s abolish food safety rules and tell people just not to eat at places where food with salmonella gets sold.

I think comparing food safety to data safety is comparing unlike types and levels of safety. No one has ever died from targeted advertising.

It's the same thing in the sense that the customer can't really tell upfront which service is safe.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Post by simplecomplex »

vjeux wrote: post #3

“Oops, we didn’t notice, but it’s another to be a company like Facebook that takes your private messages and sells that data. It takes your address, it takes your interest, it takes your browsing history and sells that to people without your permission Wydens.” Does anyone know what context he refers to? I wasn’t aware that Facebook ever directly sold private messages. Same for address, interest...

They don’t. It’s just part of the privacy and Facebook hysteria being pushed by the rage-machine that is the news cycle now.

Re: Proposed Jail Time for Tech Companies Who Steal Data

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Post by mnm1 »

simplecomplex wrote: post #25
mnm1 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense. Can you provide a way I can get Equifax and similar companies to stop stealing and selling my data? I've been trying to do that for decades. No. Your argument is bullshit. I didn't sign up for this shit and neither did anyone else, yet we still got fucked. How do you propose we fix it now? The cellular companies are still selling my data. Should I not own a cell phone because I can't get a cell plan that wo…

Equifax is a credit reporting agency. So, for example, someone gets a loan from a bank, then fails to pay it and the bank reports that to them. Other lenders check with them before lending to people. You’re being disingenuous by equating that with theft.

Not patching servers for months and leaving them for attackers to exploit is definitely stealing. It doesn't matter how they got the data, they let others steal it and were therefore complicit in the theft itself due to negligence, willful or not.
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