Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant • Hacker News Board

Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by clubm8 » Mon, Feb 04, 2019, 11:21 PM UTC

Wohlf wrote: post #21

ShorsHammer wrote: post #19

> The FBI asked them to travel to Las Vegas and conduct a meeting with Huawei representatives at last month’s Consumer Electronics Show. Shurboff was outfitted with surveillance devices and recorded the conversation while a Bloomberg Businessweek reporter watched from safe distance. Is this common practice for criminal investigations?

Seems like a pretty typical sting operation, except for the reporter.

>Seems like a pretty typical sting operation, except for the reporter.

I think that's the part that parent thought was unusual

Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by ENOTTY » Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 4:39 AM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #43

So after Businessweek's story about Supermicro sending hacked boards to companies, the FBI director Wray deflected questions by saying >“We have very specific policy that applies to us as law enforcement agencies to neither confirm nor deny the existence of an investigation,” Why are they now seeming to break that policy by confirming this investigation?

Doesn't seem like the FBI is confirming the investigation in this story. My read on this is that Bloomberg sourced it entirely to the Ahkan people.

Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by Didymos » Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 8:11 PM UTC

onecool wrote: post #48

Didymos wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My instinct is anything our government screams at another country about, security-wise, is simply projecting the fear that everyone else is going to do the exact same thing our government is doing. Huawei might have back doors for the Chinese govt.? Oh, you mean like the FBI, NSA, and CIA have tried to (or maybe successfully) force(d) Apple, Microsoft, Facebook and Google to do?

Nice astro-turfing for the Chinese government. All these 'Account created 2 hours ago' people chiming in.

I just created this account this morning. I've only been reading HN for about a week after my employer finally blocked reddit.

Are you saying that you didn't see any of those articles where the FBI put pressure on Apple for backdoors to the iphone?

But okay, I'm a Chinese shill. Forgive me for thinking commenters on HN weren't as bad as on reddit.

Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by Didymos » Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 8:12 PM UTC

sneakernets wrote: post #49

onecool wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice astro-turfing for the Chinese government. All these 'Account created 2 hours ago' people chiming in.

They also slam the [-] like a swarm of angry bees. At least they are obvious to see.

I haven't downvoted any article or comment on HN. Lovely to see how welcoming this community is to newcomers.

Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by Didymos » Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 8:14 PM UTC

Gokenstein wrote: post #31

Didymos wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My instinct is anything our government screams at another country about, security-wise, is simply projecting the fear that everyone else is going to do the exact same thing our government is doing. Huawei might have back doors for the Chinese govt.? Oh, you mean like the FBI, NSA, and CIA have tried to (or maybe successfully) force(d) Apple, Microsoft, Facebook and Google to do?

When US intelligence goals directly oppose US business goals then the enemy has already won.

The goals of the US intelligence community should be completely independent of US business goals, unless they intersect legitimately because of security concerns, rather than anti-competitive practices.

Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by sctb » Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 9:07 PM UTC

onecool wrote: post #48

Didymos wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My instinct is anything our government screams at another country about, security-wise, is simply projecting the fear that everyone else is going to do the exact same thing our government is doing. Huawei might have back doors for the Chinese govt.? Oh, you mean like the FBI, NSA, and CIA have tried to (or maybe successfully) force(d) Apple, Microsoft, Facebook and Google to do?

Nice astro-turfing for the Chinese government. All these 'Account created 2 hours ago' people chiming in.

Please don't break the guidelines like this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by sctb » Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 9:09 PM UTC

Didymos wrote: post #64

sneakernets wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also slam the [-] like a swarm of angry bees. At least they are obvious to see.

I haven't downvoted any article or comment on HN. Lovely to see how welcoming this community is to newcomers.

On the public internet, sometimes you get a bad bounce. Sorry! Please feel free to continue to participate. Not all threads go off the rails like this.

Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 9:28 PM UTC

Didymos wrote: post #65

Gokenstein wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When US intelligence goals directly oppose US business goals then the enemy has already won.

The goals of the US intelligence community should be completely independent of US business goals, unless they intersect legitimately because of security concerns, rather than anti-competitive practices.

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Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by londons_explore » Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 10:34 PM UTC

Is it really standard practice to demand a sample be returned in original condition in 60 days?

Especially a sample of glass?

Surely the buyer would want to bend it, scratch it, coat it, paint it, etc. to determine if it's suitable for their usecases?

In my experience, it's typical for samples to be provided free (or for a nominal cost), with no strings attached. If there was anything 'secret' in them, they would be protected by copyright, trademarks and patents.

Re: Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant

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Post by londons_explore » Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 10:40 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #69

Is it really standard practice to demand a sample be returned in original condition in 60 days? Especially a sample of glass? Surely the buyer would want to bend it, scratch it, coat it, paint it, etc. to determine if it's suitable for their usecases? In my experience, it's typical for samples to be provided free (or for a nominal cost), with no strings attached. If there was anything 'secret' in them, they would be…

It sounds to me like this company didn't have any patentable technology, and was hoping they'd be protected by dubious 'no reverse engineering' contracts... Which they weren't...