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>Also several well-educated and seemingly intelligent Americans who hold strong racist opinions. But that's another subject. Bring up Muslims or Roma people to a European and you'll find this isn't a uniquely American problem.

There’s also plenty of anti-semitism and good old fashioned prejudice against black people. Truthfully, it’s not so different, just look at the recent Windrush scandal.

> "There’s also plenty of anti-semitism"

If it's anything like that Jeremy Corbyn scandal, I'd say it's just a tad bit overblown..

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Since I heard about Tumblrs new policy a week before it was implemented, I've been hard at work building Libr ( https://librapp.com ) to replace it. A large amount of art that isn't porn, but that qualifies as "adult content" under the new policy has been all but purged from the internet. It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art. Libr is about…

> This will be a Progresive web app - No app store needed, meaning no app store bans. Why do you call it an app instead of a website? The word 'app' to me strongly implies that whatever the service does can only be meaningfully accessed via an app on Android or IOS, and that the publisher has reasons (often for monetization purposes) to keep the software client proprietary and exclusive.

Given that the content is only available with Javascript enabled (ie. code served by Libr gets run on my computer), it's closer to an application than a website.

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What happened was we failed to consider the consequences of centralization: - Google with its search - Tumblr (or Medium) with its blogging platform - Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram with their connection to friends, family, and news - Starbucks with its roaming internet access - Youtube with its ubiquitous video distribution - PayPal with its payment network - Apple with its walled garden App Store It's no accident…

Sadly, this massive wave of future censorship is being driven by the very people who would have fought for the right to free speech and expression in the past. We are so frightened of fake news, micro-aggressions, and things which may trigger our mostly white, middle class sensitivities that we are essentially forcing governments around the world to enact censorship for us.

I wouldn't try to racialize this. I'm also not convinced our (whose? I'm guessing you mean USA's) mostly white middle class are the ones frightened of and complaining about fake news, microaggressions or being triggered. Those seem more like Bay Area sensibilities and concerns than Middle America's.

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>Also several well-educated and seemingly intelligent Americans who hold strong racist opinions. But that's another subject. Bring up Muslims or Roma people to a European and you'll find this isn't a uniquely American problem.

Aye. Although essentially all of my UK friends are relaxed about Muslims, one of those friends stopped believing in Christians[1] because his local church congregation prayed for God to burn down a new mosque. And anti-Gypsy sentiment is so socially normal in the UK that I have only ever witnessed (in person) two people defending them as ‘not a problem’. [1] and possibly Christianity, though I never actually checked.

Most UK communities have had problems with "travellers" who are identified as "gypsies". These are groups that avoid paying taxes, are associated with unlawfulness.

When "gypsy" groups camped in my village as a child they destroyed an area of woodland, left it strewn with litter and faeces. The kids came to our school, threatened people, disrupted lessons, etc..

Now, as an adult, when "gypsies" come to my town they cause masses of damage to the environment, again with the litter everywhere; petty thefts increase in the immediate area, etc.. There are designated sites, but they get trashed, the facilities ruined. And these are people avoiding contributing to local taxation - often materially wealthy (owning several expensive vehicles, mobile homes, etc.), not poor at least.

It's nothing to do with being "gypsies" it's antisocial behaviour, not paying taxes but causing large costs; not respecting the environment, particularly leaving mess; not having regard for the property and freedoms of others.

Muslims - I've never met one I didn't get on with. But, the more I've learnt of Mohammed, and having read the majority of the Koran and Hadith: I refuse to accept Islam or pay any respect to its founder, he and his invention are truly anathema to me.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Again and again I see the comments of how crazy it is that we allow violence in films/TV/anywhere, but not sex which is peaceful and harmless -- as if this were some kind of idiocy or hypocrisy. There's a good reason we try to draw lines between areas where sex is "allowed" and "not allowed" -- because it's arousing and has the potential to be greatly embarrassing . It's private , in a way that violence isn't. I seri…

> When I Google something in a meeting or in front of my mother, I do not want sexual results to appear because some term has an alternate meaning.

The solution for this is to have a cookie to show NSFW content or not, and if you have it set then the content is still there but you get a box in front of it saying "you have chosen not to see this", so that you actually know there is something relevant there that you're not seeing.

> And then there are still countless sites on the internet devoted entirely to sex. Keeping them largely separated seems smart.

The problem with kicking people off the platform or otherwise purposely preventing discovery is that the lines aren't nearly clear enough as would be so convenient.

For example, sometimes sex workers need to get together with civil liberties organizations, or media organizations, or the general public. If you silo the sex workers off into their own universe, how does that happen? They can't come to the big sites because they're immediately banned, because attempting to communicate about their lived experience gets them flagged by an algorithm that isn't smart enough to understand context. But the others can't come to them because their sites are exclusively NSFW, which means companies ban the sites or employees fear being punished for visiting them on company time.

Then we get more garbage like SESTA, which the people it was supposed to "protect" hate because it makes their lives less safe, but they have no voice in the matter because companies decided the public isn't supposed to hear from them.

> And while what happened to Tumblr was very sad, I'm sure other sites will replace it... it's the internet after all.

Sure, after years to rebuild another community. But then what happens when that site gets popular enough for a major company to buy it and decide they want to do the same thing?

Having your community destroyed every time it becomes sufficiently popular is a real problem.

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Again and again I see the comments of how crazy it is that we allow violence in films/TV/anywhere, but not sex which is peaceful and harmless -- as if this were some kind of idiocy or hypocrisy. There's a good reason we try to draw lines between areas where sex is "allowed" and "not allowed" -- because it's arousing and has the potential to be greatly embarrassing . It's private , in a way that violence isn't. I seri…

Seriously I don't get how promiscuous people complain shit censorship and shame when we are increasingly living in a society where people will cry bloody murder if they can't push their degeneracy on the rest of us and we just have to obey. Watch, someone will have a problem with my word selection of degeneracy. I should have used sex positive or some other nonsense like that.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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I find the US prudishness thing so fascinating. I'm travelling at the moment, and meeting lots of Americans (and Europeans for contrast). There's definitely a huge difference in tolerance for swearing and blasphemy. Also several well-educated and seemingly intelligent Americans who hold strong racist opinions. But that's another subject. I guess it all comes down to the religion. Americans do seem to be more religiou…

Italy is (was?) quite religious too, what with Vatican City and a very long Christian-Democratic dominance in national politics, but it is also the birthplace of commedia sexy [1], and erotic comics artists such as Milo Manara and Guido Crepax were quite famous back in their day (they still are). The US seem especially prudish when it comes the depiction of sex in arts and entertainment. [1]: https://it.wikipedia.org…

Italy is not religious at all. Everyone is "catholic" but nobody actually goes to church or leads christian lives other than meaningless rote rituals. Try to get Italians to start going to church regularly, reading the Bible regularly, etc. and you'll be met with indifference or hostility.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Too be fair, these silos are the internet for a vast swathe of people. Google has always been a gateway to discovering new places on the internet and as she pointed out, they are actively suppressing search results they don't like. They don't know there are or can't find the places outside the silos.

Is that really true enough to be considered axiomatic, or is it just an expression of the tendency of technical people to assume the typical user is little smarter than a ham sandwich? Using a small number of sites doesn't mean you don't know other sites exist. Consider the olden days of the web when discovery was, arguably, more difficult than today (the problem search engines emerged to solve.) Did people not compr…

All student organizations at my (small) university have a website and an active public mailing list.

Yet, there is a constant push from their members for maintaining an account on Facebook. They know Facebook is evil, but "everyone is on Facebook and we have to be there to be visible".

And unfortunately they are right: announcing an event on Facebook makes it more popular.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Sex clearly isn't a sin unto itself because it's needed for making children, so it's not that. If this was it why wouldn't pornography of married couples be a-ok?

You missed the "not for pleasure" part.

No I didn't, by your logic breeding pornography of married couples should be ok.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Why we shout that all sexualities have to be accepted but then same time these big companies dictate and sensure everything ?

Why shouting in streets about our gay or lesbian rights is ok but not write or day that in video is forbidden ?

Why Facebook have so many sexuality options but no one can talk about it ?

Time to leave Facebook Google and Twitter alone is now. There have to be alternative services for open minded people..

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