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Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by hrktb »

foolfoolz wrote: post #7

This doesnt make sense to me. Core internet community experiences to me have always been about smaller sites, message boards, mailing lists, chatrooms, voice chat groups, etc. Seeing large corporation websites like tumblr, reddit, facebook crack down on content doesn't stop any of that. it just means you need to get out of your internet bubble.

I partly agree, but another half of it is people with interesting stuff yet very poor technical skills.

Some people just like to create stuff all day and have a ton to show, but only ever learned enough computer skills to do their hobby and go to forums.

For these kind of people, creating a new place in one click is a boon, and getting moderation and management tools out of box is also an incentive to keep it going.

Sure these people can start learning how to build places and use hosting services, but that’s a non teivial barrier to entry, and we must be losing so much in the deal.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by mirimir »

kome wrote: post #121
ben_w wrote: post #78

The sex-bad-violence-good meme confused me at least since I became aware of its existence aged about 14. I was 16 when I got a letter published in a UK national newspaper on this topic, pointing out the absurdity that deliberate murder could be shown in a cartoon aimed specifically at young kids (i.e. BBFC rating Uc), but people “my own age”[1] couldn’t see pictures of uncensored sex even though we could legally[1] p…

that's the most frustrating thing about being an european in a internet dominated by American "puritan" tech giants... Linguistic and cultural imperialism are a thing. I don't know how to fight back. Those companies have a lot of money.

It's even harder for old-school Japanese norms. What used to pass as mildly titillating in Japan is XXX porn in the US. And some of what's shocking there is easily child porn in the US. That's even so for some German naturalist stuff, and that was never even intended to be shocking.

For example, one of my favorite Miike films ("Visitor Q") begins with sex between a guy and his teenage daughter, who has been working as a prostitute to earn pocket money. And there's some necrophilia too. But it's all in good fun, you know.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by lou1306 »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #127

I find the US prudishness thing so fascinating. I'm travelling at the moment, and meeting lots of Americans (and Europeans for contrast). There's definitely a huge difference in tolerance for swearing and blasphemy. Also several well-educated and seemingly intelligent Americans who hold strong racist opinions. But that's another subject. I guess it all comes down to the religion. Americans do seem to be more religiou…

Italy is (was?) quite religious too, what with Vatican City and a very long Christian-Democratic dominance in national politics, but it is also the birthplace of commedia sexy [1], and erotic comics artists such as Milo Manara and Guido Crepax were quite famous back in their day (they still are). The US seem especially prudish when it comes the depiction of sex in arts and entertainment.

[1]: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commedia_sexy_all%27italiana

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by Freak_NL »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #21

Since I heard about Tumblrs new policy a week before it was implemented, I've been hard at work building Libr ( https://librapp.com ) to replace it. A large amount of art that isn't porn, but that qualifies as "adult content" under the new policy has been all but purged from the internet. It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art. Libr is about…

> This will be a Progresive web app - No app store needed, meaning no app store bans.

Why do you call it an app instead of a website?

The word 'app' to me strongly implies that whatever the service does can only be meaningfully accessed via an app on Android or IOS, and that the publisher has reasons (often for monetization purposes) to keep the software client proprietary and exclusive.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by kkarakk »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #21

Since I heard about Tumblrs new policy a week before it was implemented, I've been hard at work building Libr ( https://librapp.com ) to replace it. A large amount of art that isn't porn, but that qualifies as "adult content" under the new policy has been all but purged from the internet. It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art. Libr is about…

mastodon already does this? how are you going to differentiate? also all these types of sites are typically flooded with porn if they become in any way popular...

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by kkarakk »

pishpash wrote: post #38
Mirioron wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you bring up some very good points and frankly, it's quite depressing. A decade or two from now the internet will be exactly like cable TV.

It's always like that. TV and radio were quirky in the early days too, but as soon as you go mass market it changes. It's not the medium, it's the people on it. Time to keep moving and get away from the mainstream.

problem always is that moving away from the mainstream is non trivial and only for people with oodles of money. for eg if i want to use ipfs i should have 1.a computer capable of handling these connections 2.an internet connection capable of handling the connections with no caps forcing me offline

we need solutions that allow any weirdo to easily get online and say what they want to say

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by faissaloo »

nopriorarrests wrote: post #6

Whats the point of this article? Tumblr is supposed to be monetized. You can't monetize porn content, so tumblr has 'no pron' policy now. Sorry, this is how the world works. Boo. Meanwhile, any kind of porn is plentiful if you go to the different url. Enter any keyword and have porn catered to your interest, in a good quality, abundant. Seriously, this was unimaginable 15 years ago, and yet author claims that someone…

Actually pornography wasn't banned on Tumblr because of monetisation issues directly, what happened is Apple became aware of the child pornography epidemic on there and removed them from the app store, so in order to fix this they had to implement a general pornography filter because it was simply easier.

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Post by diegoperini »

carlob wrote: post #142
perilunar wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> my perception is that the vast majority of sex workers are not doing it because of free choice, but rather because of exploitation and pressure. Your perception would be wrong. The vast majority of sex workers are doing it for the money, same as any job. > The illegality of prostitution Prostitution is not illegal in many parts of the world, and even decriminalised is some parts. > I hear of no stories where people…

> Prostitution is not illegal in many parts of the world, and even decriminalised is some parts. Nitpick: decriminalization means that something is still illegal, but it's not a crime.

What's the difference?

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Post by JBiserkov »

faissaloo wrote: post #147
ben_w wrote: post #78

The sex-bad-violence-good meme confused me at least since I became aware of its existence aged about 14. I was 16 when I got a letter published in a UK national newspaper on this topic, pointing out the absurdity that deliberate murder could be shown in a cartoon aimed specifically at young kids (i.e. BBFC rating Uc), but people “my own age”[1] couldn’t see pictures of uncensored sex even though we could legally[1] p…

My understanding is thst no one's actually saying 'sex bad', it's just that sex is a private endevour while violence is more universal.

The Church is definitely saying sex is bad, sex is a sin, must only be used for making children, not for pleasure, even in married couples.

It's insane.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by Tsubasachan »

faissaloo wrote: post #147
ben_w wrote: post #78

The sex-bad-violence-good meme confused me at least since I became aware of its existence aged about 14. I was 16 when I got a letter published in a UK national newspaper on this topic, pointing out the absurdity that deliberate murder could be shown in a cartoon aimed specifically at young kids (i.e. BBFC rating Uc), but people “my own age”[1] couldn’t see pictures of uncensored sex even though we could legally[1] p…

My understanding is thst no one's actually saying 'sex bad', it's just that sex is a private endevour while violence is more universal.

In America maybe? I don't live in a violent society, you can spend decades not getting involved in violence but every spring there is sex in the air.
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