I wonder how long this woman spent finding the next thing to complain about. Her real gripe is quietly dropped in the third paragraph where she claims porn is about "women". Porn is made by men for men on the whole. I despise porn personally and while I don't support censorship I certainly don't want to use a service where I constantly see news about porn. Porn is not about "people". It's just something almost every young man is addicted to because it simulates the feeling of mating with multiple women.
Sex censorship killed the internet we love
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Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love
#82What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…
Majority of Americans are religious and sex is taught to be sacred when young. Thus it’s engrained and Even when the majority are not practicing it themselves as they age. Violence on the other hand is considered bad but isn’t on the level of a sacred act. I’m estimating in the next generation things will change.
Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love
#83What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…
> What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. I think one reason is that violence is much easier to fake than sex.
> I think one reason is that violence is much easier to fake than sex.
If this was Reddit this line would spawn a comment thread longer than MAX_INT.
Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love
#84What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…
> What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. I think one reason is that violence is much easier to fake than sex.
Is it? European movies have more sex in them and often have smaller budgets.
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#85Since I heard about Tumblrs new policy a week before it was implemented, I've been hard at work building Libr ( https://librapp.com ) to replace it. A large amount of art that isn't porn, but that qualifies as "adult content" under the new policy has been all but purged from the internet. It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art. Libr is about…
There are a few red flags here for me. Libr has the signatures of a well known political movement who have a penchant for censoring anything they don't like under the claim of hate speech. Or you're just marketing to the Tumblr user demographic.
Ah yes, anti-harassment tools are automatically censorship; next you're going to tell me every feminist has blue hair, hunting men at tech conferences (you know, it's sort of a game, who can break the highscore?).
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#86The real "original sin" of the free internet is the curation of the experience of using neutral information systems to drive engagement and skew users decisions away from their own interest towards the commercial interest of the web sites. Routine deception and manipulation mean that there are no clear lines or defensible moats of freedom. There is no rule of law or communal standard of fairness on the internet. This…
> I hear of no stories where people have found happy and fulfilled lives as prostitutes Here's one: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-majority-of... . "In fact, when you ask sex workers about their job satisfaction and working conditions – as a study led by Leeds University just has – the majority of them are happy. When asked to describe their work, respondents typically selected positive or neutral w…
Sex work is legal in Germany. I don’t know where to look for the equivalent statistics in Germany, but that would settle the question of if legalisation would solve the problem of violence.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tumblr exists since February 2007; they lived, grew and prospered with erotica (and much more!) for 10 years. Let's stop telling ourselves that you can monetize with erotica. It's just American Puritanism, and yes, it's breaking the internet.
>they lived, grew and prospered with erotica (and much more!) for 10 years. Were they profitable during this period or were they sucking the VC tit all the time?
If the milk tastes good... drink it.
Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love
#88Since I heard about Tumblrs new policy a week before it was implemented, I've been hard at work building Libr ( https://librapp.com ) to replace it. A large amount of art that isn't porn, but that qualifies as "adult content" under the new policy has been all but purged from the internet. It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art. Libr is about…
There are a few red flags here for me. Libr has the signatures of a well known political movement who have a penchant for censoring anything they don't like under the claim of hate speech. Or you're just marketing to the Tumblr user demographic.
I assume you're referring to "liberals"? I'm pretty sure that historically "liberals" have been more anti-censorship than others. Even now you're much more likely to encounter censorship from conservatives than liberals, it's just that a vocal minority seems to think that "free speech" translates to "consequence free speech". You can say whatever you like, but there may be consequences. If you yell fire in a crowded theatre, you will likely be arrested.
Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love
#89What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…
One of the first times I traveled to the USA, I was watching TV in my hotel room and caught some sort of documentary about art. They were showing a painting by Gustav Klimt and the nipples were blurred out. I couldn't believe it! I knew about American prudishness over nudity and sex, but I didn't know it went that deep. It made me want to learn more about the phenomenon.
Some common explanations:
- The USA is just way more religious overall;
- Pilgrims were the most radical protestant Christians, they were kicked out of Europe and then spread their social norms in the USA, in a very early moment of the development of American culture. Also, according to Max Weber, and to simplify things a lot :), Protestantism = Capitalism;
- Colonization is risky business, enormous territories were available and increasing the population was urgent. This could explain both acceptance of guns/violence and the need to regulate sexual behavior.
I think there is at least some truth to all of the above, but I always feel unsatisfied. There are so many confounding factors. For example, in Europe the catholic south is more sexually repressive than the protestant north, perhaps with the exception of the UK. But the north is also more atheistic overall. Anglo culture overall seems to me to have some specific flavor of sexual repression that I don't feel from other European cultures. Maybe I'm just more used to the catholic flavor.
I have this cynical suspicion that, for a large scale society such as a country to be possible, and for people to accept collaborating with the project somehow, some tabu must be created. At least one dimension of personal fulfillment must be out of the control of the individual. This is very simplistic but, in modern USA the tabu is sex, in modern Europe it is money. I think it is common for revolutions to destroy one tabu and create another. For example, left-wing revolutions tend to point at sexual tabus as "bourgeois values". But communists can also be super socially conservative.
Yet another detail: the differences in attitude towards sex and nudity in USA vs Europe also apply to alcohol. I feel that alcohol is both way more regulated and seen as more "naughty" in the USA than in Europe.
Perhaps someone here can point me in other interesting directions. Sorry for all the rambling :)
Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love
#90What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…
I honestly don't understand why people compare the two.
We process fake violence and sexual content very differently. When we see someone get their head blown off in a movie it's over the top and ridiculous. Often times it's used to tell us that something major has happened while being very different from reality.
I've seen videos on liveleak that are absolutely horrific. And yet I've seen much more gruesome scenes in movies that don't make me bat an eye.
Whereas with sexual content there's no difference between naked bodies. I am sure that scenes from shows on hbo will illicit the same reaction as pornographic material.
Also, violence is easy to explain, sexuality and complex hormonal feelings are not. That's why you can have outlandish violence because a kid knows what getting hit is like and what real life physics are like whereas stuff related to sexuality opens up such a large can of worms - what's too sexually liberal, what kind of a message it sends about self worth, social norms with something kids aren't familiar with, etc.
And before someone nitpicks my response, yes the culture and systems around ratings when it comes to nudity aren't always logical or consistent, but my main point is that I don't see why these two things are compared when they're completely different things.