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Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by threatofrain »

bad_user wrote: post #43

What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

I think the sex is just so powerful for people that they need others to be regulated so that they themselves may be regulated. I find it striking when people campaign vigorously against sex education or contraception -- instruments of sexual liberty.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by yann63 »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #21

Since I heard about Tumblrs new policy a week before it was implemented, I've been hard at work building Libr ( https://librapp.com ) to replace it. A large amount of art that isn't porn, but that qualifies as "adult content" under the new policy has been all but purged from the internet. It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art. Libr is about…

> It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art.

Are you saying that adult content is not legitimate art?

If so, I think you may be part of the problem, not the solution. English is not my first language, so please correct me if I am wrong.

By adult content, most of us think "porn". But as has been said, there's also violence and other things that some culture do not want their children exposed to.

There's no way to ban nudity or other things one may dislike without having to put some kind of filters in place. And once those filters are in place, they are abused to filter legitimate content. Every. Single. Time.

We have to rely on education, the best filter is in our brains. That's the cost to real freedom of speech.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by nopriorarrests »

lazyjones wrote: post #41
nopriorarrests wrote: post #6

Whats the point of this article? Tumblr is supposed to be monetized. You can't monetize porn content, so tumblr has 'no pron' policy now. Sorry, this is how the world works. Boo. Meanwhile, any kind of porn is plentiful if you go to the different url. Enter any keyword and have porn catered to your interest, in a good quality, abundant. Seriously, this was unimaginable 15 years ago, and yet author claims that someone…

Last time I checked, this wasn‘t even primarily about ad money. Apple had kicked Tumblr‘s app out of the App Store (apparently because of actual child pornography and not just „adult content“), so Tumbler got into some real trouble and had broader reputation issues than just with advertisers.

>Last time I checked, this wasn‘t even primarily about ad money.

from what I know, tumlbr was acquired by yahoo, and yahoo was acquired by verizon, so now verizon tries to make some money on tumblr. sooo it is about ad money. and of course having child pron is bad for your business.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

IndrekR wrote: post #12

"Google News shows one lonely result for "porn," an article that is 26 days old." Must be a regional thing. Gives plenty of fresh (less than a day old) articles when searched in Estonia. Edit: this is for Google search "news" tab. If I go to Google News ( https://news.google.com ) and search from there, get no results.

I've confirmed this happens in Australia. Except it's zero results, not one.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by sgt101 »

The real "original sin" of the free internet is the curation of the experience of using neutral information systems to drive engagement and skew users decisions away from their own interest towards the commercial interest of the web sites. Routine deception and manipulation mean that there are no clear lines or defensible moats of freedom. There is no rule of law or communal standard of fairness on the internet. This article fogs that truth.

When ever I turn off the filters on my search engines explicit content is served instantly. I think that the censorship that the author is referring to is either self imposed, imposed by commercial decisions (tumblr) or due to legal constraints (child porn, rape, worse things than that).

Consensual sex work is mentioned, my perception is that the vast majority of sex workers are not doing it because of free choice, but rather because of exploitation and pressure. Drug and alcohol addiction as well as a history of abuse are often cited as drivers, and I hear of no stories where people have found happy and fulfilled lives as prostitutes. The "women speaking truth" can only every have authentic voices if they are speaking from positions of power and security; I do not believe that this is the case for prostitutes anywhere. The illegality of prostitution is not because people are prudes, it is because prostitutes are routinely destroyed by their work.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by TeMPOraL »

pishpash wrote: post #38
Mirioron wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you bring up some very good points and frankly, it's quite depressing. A decade or two from now the internet will be exactly like cable TV.

It's always like that. TV and radio were quirky in the early days too, but as soon as you go mass market it changes. It's not the medium, it's the people on it. Time to keep moving and get away from the mainstream.

Is it really "people on it", or is it just the ad-based business model? Sure, mass market means lowest common denominator, but people generally don't mind weirdness as long as it doesn't force itself on them. I feel most cases of censorship or self-censorship of weirdness on the media has always something to do with some advertiser not wanting their ads associated with weirdness.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by monadgonad »

nopriorarrests wrote: post #46
Mirioron wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't the BMW ad. It's more about BMW refusing to sell me a car because I'm open about porn.

well, then it's not "Sex censorship killed the internet we love", it's "fcsk! world does not work the way I want". go to BMW marketing dept and pitch them the value of being advertised next to mature lady sucking two huge young cocks. maybe they really miss this opportunity and it will make them millions? I dont know.

Are you just going to keep talking about advertising? Because it's not about advertising.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by Chinjut »

nopriorarrests wrote: post #46
Mirioron wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't the BMW ad. It's more about BMW refusing to sell me a car because I'm open about porn.

well, then it's not "Sex censorship killed the internet we love", it's "fcsk! world does not work the way I want". go to BMW marketing dept and pitch them the value of being advertised next to mature lady sucking two huge young cocks. maybe they really miss this opportunity and it will make them millions? I dont know.

What a facile response. EVERY complaint is "Fuck! The world does not work the way I want". That is the nature of complaint. It doesn't mean it's pointless to ever complain. One can reasonably desire and agitate for the world to work differently than it does.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by grondilu »

bad_user wrote: post #43

What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

> What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex.

I think one reason is that violence is much easier to fake than sex.

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