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Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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The real "original sin" of the free internet is the curation of the experience of using neutral information systems to drive engagement and skew users decisions away from their own interest towards the commercial interest of the web sites. Routine deception and manipulation mean that there are no clear lines or defensible moats of freedom. There is no rule of law or communal standard of fairness on the internet. This…

> I hear of no stories where people have found happy and fulfilled lives as prostitutes

Here's one: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-majority-of.... "In fact, when you ask sex workers about their job satisfaction and working conditions – as a study led by Leeds University just has – the majority of them are happy. When asked to describe their work, respondents typically selected positive or neutral words. 91 per cent of sex workers described their work as ‘flexible’, 66 per cent described it as ‘fun’ and over half find their job ‘rewarding’.".

That aside, have you heard many stories where people have found happy and fulfilled lives as coal miners? As Amazon warehouse workers? Lots of jobs suck, but we don't ban them.

>it is because prostitutes are routinely destroyed by their work.

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/159/8/778/91471 found a standardised mortality rate of 1.9 for American prostitutes (almost twice that of the average member of the population), similar to what https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.54.5.... found for coal miners, but we don't ban coal mining. For prostitution, violence was one of the "predominant causes of death", a situation that would be significantly improved were prostitution legal, as prostitutes could then rely on police protection without fear of being arrested for their work.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

What you say about those baby pictures is quite true. My American in-laws thought it was strange my family took those of me when I was a baby.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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well, then it's not "Sex censorship killed the internet we love", it's "fcsk! world does not work the way I want". go to BMW marketing dept and pitch them the value of being advertised next to mature lady sucking two huge young cocks. maybe they really miss this opportunity and it will make them millions? I dont know.

What a facile response. EVERY complaint is "Fuck! The world does not work the way I want". That is the nature of complaint. It doesn't mean it's pointless to ever complain. One can reasonably desire and agitate for the world to work differently than it does.

>One can reasonably desire and agitate for the world to work differently than it does.

yeah, tumblr allowing porn again will make all the difference in the world.

lol

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Good question. I think (dont quote me) that porn ads could be seen as "lowest common denominator", aka "cheapest product on market", and, generally speaking, nobody in marketing department wants to be associated with such label. We may argue that this is wrong and being advertised next to porn content does not carry such stigma, but this is how the world works, at least for now. If some brand will start with porn adv…

Are you thinking that if a porn-averse brand starts advertising on porno, then that brand could become associated with qualities of the spywares and phisheries which currently dominate porn adviertising? The nice thing about lookin at porn on tumblr was that there were no shady spam ads (nothing as shady as ad-supported porn sites). I'm sure if the porn-phobic brands continued to pull their ads the shady click farmer…

> qualities of the spywares and phisheries which currently dominate porn adviertising?

do they?

you can go to pornhub or xvideos and get all the porn you want, and ads will only ask you to subscribe to "full videos" (which are probably full, but I have never subscribed). Nothing shady about them, no spyware or phishery.

I have no tumblr experience, but I dont expect tumblr porn ads being different from pornhub porn ads.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

The United States is quite a violent place and it is reflected in its media. With multiple wars on going and a huge weapons industry people have become to accept it as normal. Prison rape is accepted as something that just happens and police across the nation are armed like military.

>The United States is quite a violent place...

This does not address the OP's question in any way.

The US is also quite a sexy place, with a lot of sex happening. Last time I heard, everyone's parents had sex at least once, and most people had it multiple times over the course of their lives!

Why then we censor this, by every definition, commonplace activity?

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

I agree, but your last paragraph highlights the problem. Whose moral standards do we have to follow? It seems like everyones (or at least a subset of nations with enough spending power).

Everything ends up lowest common denominator. Probably why I don't watch Tom Cruise films anymore.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Whats the point of this article? Tumblr is supposed to be monetized. You can't monetize porn content, so tumblr has 'no pron' policy now. Sorry, this is how the world works. Boo. Meanwhile, any kind of porn is plentiful if you go to the different url. Enter any keyword and have porn catered to your interest, in a good quality, abundant. Seriously, this was unimaginable 15 years ago, and yet author claims that someone…

I think you should read the article, it's not complaining about the lack of commercial porn

yeah, right.

I was online since 1999, which is probably year when article author was born. I've seen internet changing at least 4 times. I do remember using napster, for example.

So, some 20 year old is unhappy that tumblr she liked is no more? Cry me a river.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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The sex-bad-violence-good meme confused me at least since I became aware of its existence aged about 14.

I was 16 when I got a letter published in a UK national newspaper on this topic, pointing out the absurdity that deliberate murder could be shown in a cartoon aimed specifically at young kids (i.e. BBFC rating Uc), but people “my own age”[1] couldn’t see pictures of uncensored sex even though we could legally[1] perform those acts.

I’m now in Berlin, where “Dildo King” is advertised on rotating billboards in the City Centre next to adverts for kid’s dentists and nobody bats an eyelid.

In the other direction, I also remember being shocked when I first visited the USA and seeing “to my dad” and “to my daughter” Valentine’s Day cards in the supermarket.

[1] My own age at the time being the age of consent in the UK: 16

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

Born in Europe but domesticated in USA, where I live for last 17 years. Its funny how your mindset change because of all the signals we constantly receive through media and just living around.

A story from last summer. I went to Italy to visit some friends. We pulled over at the gas station. Regular spot with regular stuff that any station sells. And with huge newspaper stand. I took first colorful magazine, turn second page and there I see an old man dressed in all jeans, with big beard smiling, holding what could be maximum 2-months old baby... all naked wearing only shoes. Baby's penis is sticking out and the way the man holds him or her is that his hand is under it, basically holding newborn's ballsack. All in color, bright and proud, second page, a newspaper about clothes that you can buy in every single newspaper store across Italy. It was commercial for supposedly oldest shoe company in Italy and the idea is that after you are born, first thing your parents put on your are shoes. I did not know whether to be shocked or what. I showed it to my Italian friends and they looked at me "what?". And then I was dumb enough to take a photo of it. I don't know... I guess wanted to show folks in USA how ads in Europe look like. Of course totally forgot about it later on.

Until a cold sweat showered me when all of sudden, when a Board Patrol agent asked me a random question: any suspicious photography you took on your European trip that I should know about ... on your laptop or your phone? No idea where he got it from... perhaps he was a mind reader or something. I barely could say "nope", but God only knows how much trouble I would have been had I told him the truth...

Sometimes you have to be super careful when you travel across the big pond... Not all laws rules and regulations are all the same everywhere, boys and girls :)

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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I don't understand why the corporate monoliths refuse to slap their ads on porno. Porno has got to be the most popular kind of content on the internet. Why cant my porno be brought to me in part by pepsi cola?

It's not just pornography. Companies also want to avoid "extremist" content, which has been an issue for YouTube. Some advertisers also want to avoid being on medical articles and the like. Advertisers concerned about their brand are going to avoid anything they fear will damage the brand image.

> Advertisers concerned about their brand are going to avoid anything they fear will damage the brand image.

And rightly so. You frequently see complaints to company X about their ad appearing on content Y which is for some reason offensive to demographic Z. Usually it comes with dire threats of boycotting the brand.

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