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U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by pishpash »

Hongwei wrote: post #2

Speaking as a Canadian, this is already old news for us. There have been lively debates over on /r/canada, which went very one-sided (understandably) after China arrested two Canadians as leverage. [1] As someone who likes to follow geopolitics, I can't help but wonder if the timing of this extradition request was strategic. When Meng was arrested, Canada was in the middle of NAFTA/USMCA re-negotiations and our Prime…

> There have been lively debates over on /r/canada, which went very one-sided (understandably) after China arrested two Canadians as leverage.

Which just shows how much this is not a rational debate, and never will be, when nationalism is involved.

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Post by mark_l_watson »

product50 wrote: post #100

To commenters in this thread explaining that this is unfair (since almost all countries including US did it at some point of time), the main issue is that USA is powerful enough to do something about it. They can rally up support from their allies and keep Chinese companies from gaining any international adoption. Look at how they got Meng from Huawei arrested - it was almost unreal. This is how the world works today…

I am not sure if the phrase "They can rally up support from their allies" is not quite accurate, more like arm twisting (like when we bullied our allies to not join One Belt One Road and even our staunchest allies like Israel and South Korea jumped on board with the OBOR).

However, I agree with you, the arrest of Meng did seem unreal.

I consider myself to be very patriotic and I want my country (USA) to do whatever it takes to be truly competitive: more money for education, tax credits for primary research, etc., etc. But I don't like the thing with Huawei because it seems like we are fighting an economic fight with bullying - and not what will help us long term which is building tech excellance.

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Post by geowwy »

seppin wrote: post #73
dmode wrote: post #31

I am really concerned about the rapid development of the Huawei case. Sure Huawei has issues, but which corporation doesn’t. If you are an US exec, I would limit travel to China as one can risk being arrested for frivolous reasons.

If Apple execs conducted espionage on behalf of the US Government, they should be targeted. The concern is, they don't, but they will still be targeted.

US intelligence has embedded themselves in virtually all major players in Silicon Valley. They'd be stupid not to.

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Post by casefields »

kw71 wrote: post #142

Does anyone remember if HP was punished for allowing a reseller to send millions of dollars of computers to Iran? I also saw HP logos on the monitors during footage of a North Korean missile test.

"HP today announced a resolution of a U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) investigation of potential violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA).

HP will pay approximately $108 million to these two U.S. government agencies. HP also has agreed to undertake certain compliance, reporting and cooperation obligations."

https://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=1624...

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Post by peteretep »

product50 wrote: post #100

To commenters in this thread explaining that this is unfair (since almost all countries including US did it at some point of time), the main issue is that USA is powerful enough to do something about it. They can rally up support from their allies and keep Chinese companies from gaining any international adoption. Look at how they got Meng from Huawei arrested - it was almost unreal. This is how the world works today…

> Look at how they got Meng from Huawei arrested

Via a Canadian American extradition warrant that has existed for a loooong time before the arrest, and in such a way that Meng is protected from extradition if an independent Canadian judge doesn't think the case bears weight?

Not quite sure how this is considered overreach. There's a reason that criminals fleeing to places without extradition treaties with the US is a thing.

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Post by geomark »

kuhhk wrote: post #60
charlesdm wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Huawei could call/email you the next day (in Chinese of course) if they find something they want to buy to get ahead. That's not stealing? That's just acquiring interesting tech.

I worked at a competitor of them, across the street from Huawei. It was common knowledge that they interviewed people without the intention to hire them, acted super interested, and asked increasingly pointed questions to get you to violate your NDAs, and describe projects you shouldn’t. And they would do the same to those they hired. These are personal anecdotes, but I’m not surprised by these accusations.

I worked at a company that did chip design work for contract. Our bright biz dev director tried to land a deal with Huawei. Huawei kept asking detailed questions about how we would design certain features that they wanted in their chips. So our genius management would assign some of our engineers work out conceptual designs to show Huawei, detailed enough that you could jump right into HDL coding of them. It went on and on. No contract ever materialized. Many engineering hours were spent doing a fairly signicant portion of the designs.

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Post by rsj_hn »

mikejb wrote: post #129
mc32 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing was a movie, the other actually happens. One in the context of a Cold War the world is better off we, the West, won. The other to aid a non democratic regime. Also, we (and the Soviets) should have every right to defend against industrial espionage.

> One thing was a movie, the other actually happens. Fair point on the comparison, but industrial espionage isn't a one-way street.

So which Soviet industrial secrets did the U.S. steal? Which Chinese industrial secrets did the U.S. steal? It certainly appears to be a one way street.

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Post by [deleted] »

sovietmudkipz wrote: post #36
baroffoos wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sharing knowledge and advancing technology for everyone is something to be proud of. Society needs to end the practice of hoarding private knowledge.

I think the idea behind intellectual property is to encourage people to take risks associated with developing something new and profit through their innovations. If all new discoveries were the property of the state/public then there wouldn't be a high incentive to be inventive for any given individual. It's like if everyone was a farmer but everything harvested was immediately taken from the farmer. Why would any fa…

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Post by j16sdiz »

bgee wrote: post #62
educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

> Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. Can you kindly provide an example of this? I searched "打破技术封锁" on Baidu and first page gives me advancements from research. http://www.baidu.com/s?ie=utf-8&f=8&rsv_bp=1&rsv_idx=1&ch=&t...

Search "打破技术封锁" + "改良" and see how much "improvment" are plain stealing with minor detail changes.
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