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Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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How do the owners know the dog is dead and not stolen? Wouldn't a successful dognapping look the exact same from their perspective?

I don't think cremation would be on topic if the dog was stolen or lost.

Wag offered to cover the cremation. The authors don't write that they got the dog's body back. You are just assuming that.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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HN has been getting a lot of coordinated down votes lately.

You will notice it always coincides with when the techbros on the West Coast wake up.

I feel like people don’t just downvote you once and move on, I feel that they go into your whole history and just downvote you as much as they can to wound your reputation, then they tell their friends. Sickening.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Family has a dog. Family's dog needed a walk. There is a dog walking service called Wag. Family hires unidentified walker through Wag. Dog dies. Wag doesn't care and doesn't want to be held accountable. Family announces incident on Facebook. First world problems.

that's not what "first world problems" means. That's for people making a big deal about trivial problems. This isn't trivial, it's terrible.

A dead dog is trivial in most parts of the world.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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I don't think you understand the unconditional love that a dog has for its owner, and the commitment good people make when they choose to get one. For me it is moral and ethical that I put the safety and well being of my dog above people. That doesn't mean that I don't care about others, and it doesn't mean that I would ignore trying to save them once my dog was safe, but it is what is right for me.

Your moral compass is fucked. Dogs do not think and feel and live as humans do. Humans have thoughts, dreams, hopes, creativity, complex emotions. A rich inner life. Dogs have none of this. That you would prioritise your dog , rather than the life of a human child... is chilling to me. It's beyond selfish. Disclaimer: I have 2 dogs and 1 cat.

How do you know that dogs have none of this? Until recently, people believed animals were just automatons (can’t find the famous quote..) and we have in more recent years discovered animals to be a lot more intelligent than we ever gave them credit for. We’ve also been discovering that a lot more animals are self aware than we ever thought (eg. There was a story here a few years back about how elephants recognise themselves in mirrors, but only if the mirror is large enough that they can see most of their bodies)

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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I don't agree: I'm not from the US and generally think everyone is over reacting with constantly (threatening) to sue everyone else. But here the problem here isn't that the dog died, it's how Wag has handled the problem afterwards, and how their (poor) communication suggests that they didn't really do their due diligence in vetting the walkers. EDIT: a similar thing happened in my country (the Netherlands) where an…

I think the incentives in play force companies to act callous. It seems to me that companies are wary to act with empathy lest they get sued and the court takes it as an admission of guilt (or at least evidence of culpability, or something the jury will pay attention to). It's like that old advice where you should never say "sorry" after a car accident (as a Brit, apologising is a natural impulse even when not at fau…

as a Brit, apologising is a natural impulse even when not at fault

Someone explained it to me as when an American says "sorry" they mean "I'm sorry I did a bad thing to you" and when a Brit says sorry they mean "I'm sorry a bad thing happened to you". Which also explains the not uncommon American response to "sorry" of "Why? It wasn't your fault".

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Seems to be something that, sadly, is to be expected from this generation of SV and SV-like companies that believe than any problem (usually a very First-World problem) can be solved with technology, and all the bad things, and negative externalities, can and should ber swept under the rug on the way to a billion dollar exit.

What you've described sounds like SV (but not just SV) "Techbro" culture to me...

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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It wouldn't surprise me at all. My dog is part of my family. She comes before any stranger.

I can't argue with an opinion, but this is just mind-blowing to me. Judging by everyone else's comments, it doesn't appear like yours is an isolated opinion either. I'm just at a total loss for words. I had no idea so many people value animal life above human life.

Please tell me - where exactly do you draw the value of human life from? What exactly makes human life more valuable than any other life?

I'm asking honestly, in the hopes that it's something less delusional than appeal to "soul" or "god" (which would immediately terminate all discussion, FWIW)

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Your moral compass is fucked. Dogs do not think and feel and live as humans do. Humans have thoughts, dreams, hopes, creativity, complex emotions. A rich inner life. Dogs have none of this. That you would prioritise your dog , rather than the life of a human child... is chilling to me. It's beyond selfish. Disclaimer: I have 2 dogs and 1 cat.

How do you know that dogs have none of this? Until recently, people believed animals were just automatons (can’t find the famous quote..) and we have in more recent years discovered animals to be a lot more intelligent than we ever gave them credit for. We’ve also been discovering that a lot more animals are self aware than we ever thought (eg. There was a story here a few years back about how elephants recognise the…

> How do you know that dogs have none of this?

If they did, they'd want to let us know. Now cats, on the other hand...

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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As someone who has lost friends and family members, as well as pets, it feels the same. I see this dichotomy quite a bit in the public discourse, regarding dogs especially, where 1/2 the world treats dogs as family and the other half thinks they are some play toy/object. We have been living with wolves/dogs for a long time now, we're responsible for how they have evolved, and part of that is how they have evolved to…

I appreciate you responding and explaining your perspective, even though we may disagree on the issue. > 1/2 the world treats dogs as family Do you think that half the world, if given the choice between saving either their dog or a stranger's child in a disaster situation (e.g. a house fire), would choose their dog?

Change that scenario just so slightly and I would bet that answers would significant change:

Do you think a dog owner would risk their own life (to varied degrees) to rescue a family dog if their house started burning?

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