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Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

helo1252 wrote: post #28
will_brown wrote: post #8

All this money, time and effort in an attempt to market new low sugar cereals , these are the same company’s who: 1. Have been marketing their product as part of a balanced breakfast for decades, and 2. Continued increasing the amount of sugar while actively lobbying against any attempts to regulate marketing their sugary products to kids. Here is an idea...get rid of the sugary cereals and sugary milk entirely and f…

Bacon contains nitrates that have been proven to cause cancer. I believe the increased cancer rate is very low however. Also, "nitrate free" bacon usually contains nitrates in a different form (celery powder), which i've read actually contains more nitrates than typical and therefore is actually way worse. I would stick with eggs, with oatmeal, sweetened with some berries.

Nope, incorrect. Nitrites/Nitrates don't have any good evidence by themselves for being carcinogenic/generally harmful.

However, they can form nitrosomenes when cooked at a high heat alongside protein, aka fried bacon, which are considered carcinogenic (but concentrations vary on how much is actually harmful).

Eat oven baked/microwave bacon every once in a while, and its fine.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by lotsofpulp »

emptyfile wrote: post #62
dangus wrote: post #25

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Take a whole package of bacon, put it on a cookie sheet. Bake 15 minutes in the oven at 350 degrees to your liking. Remove, Drain/cool. Place bacon in freezer. Take eggs. Boil in water. Place in refrigerator. Voila, you now have bacon and eggs in the morning for multiple days with zero effort. Another easy one - McDonald’s style Egg McMuffin: You’ve got your frozen English muffins because you’re lazy and don’t want t…

Reheated boiled eggs? Wtf...

If I eat eggs that I boiled and refrigerated, I just eat them cold or at room temp if they sit out for a bit.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by will_brown »

lhl wrote: post #70
z_open wrote: post #20

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You want them to get a heart attack instead? Lots of cultures have good breakfast that don't rely on sugar or cholesterol. Look to the Mediterranean/Middle East/Central Asia/Far East.

Dietary cholesterol consumption has almost no direct relationship with serum cholesterol and in fact has been removed from dietary guidelines. [1] Also, "A landmark systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies showed no association between saturated fat consumption and (1) all-cause mortality, (2) coronary heart disease (CHD), (3) CHD mortality, (4) ischaemic stroke or (5) type 2 diabetes in healthy a…

I would also add that hdl (the “healthy cholesterol”) in fact helps: 1. Prevent plaque build up; 2. Lowers risk of heart disease; and 3. Lowers risk of stroke.

The problem with industries muddy the water by claiming “cholesterol” is bad without distinguishing between ldl and hdl. It’s similar to what the sugar industry does with “diabeties” when they don’t distinguish between type 1 and type 2.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by lotsofpulp »

shados wrote: post #58
tracker1 wrote: post #31

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In general, carbs break down into glucose for consumption... which isn't the worst thing. Fructose (about half, or more, of most natural sugars) is only able to be processed by the liver and usually in excess of what can be metabolized meaning a build up of fatty liver. This has other side effects leading to metabolic syndrome/diabetes/heart-disease. A big issue is that many people eating low fat actually don't get e…

> Without enough fat, many will see issues with their gal bladder over time Wait what? I was under the impression that most gal bladder issues came from fat, not from not enough fat. Or is it one of those "both extremes are bad" thing?

“Both extremes are bad” applies to everything, by definition of it being extreme.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by lhl »

ariehkovler wrote: post #23
will_brown wrote: post #8

All this money, time and effort in an attempt to market new low sugar cereals , these are the same company’s who: 1. Have been marketing their product as part of a balanced breakfast for decades, and 2. Continued increasing the amount of sugar while actively lobbying against any attempts to regulate marketing their sugary products to kids. Here is an idea...get rid of the sugary cereals and sugary milk entirely and f…

> get rid of the sugary cereals and sugary milk It took me a long time to realise that milk was sugary. I'd grown up worrying about the fat content of milk, but all milk, whether full fat or skimmed, has like 5g of sugar per 100ml, a pretty similar sugar content to Gatorade. We know milk has lactose but we don't usually think of lactose as a sugar like we do with sucrose or fructose.

Lactose is a disaccharide made up of one glucose and one galactose (which lactase splits up). The galactose IMO is actually worse for you because like fructose, it's transported and phosphorylated in the liver whereas glucose can be metabolized anywhere in your body.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by will_brown »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #72
will_brown wrote: post #26

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I may be wrong but I think many milks add sucrose. The other thing is if you don’t buy organic milk then your milk is also loaded with the antibiotics that we give to dairy cows which attaches to the fat in the milk. So a good rule is if you go organic get whole milk (because it is a good source of fat) but if you buy regular milk get skim (to avoid some of the antibiotics).

False. It's illegal to have antibiotic residue in milk regardless if its labeled "organic vs inorganic". https://www.fooddialogues.com/antibiotics-hormones-milk-dair... Nothing prevents dairy farmers from treating cows producing "organic" labeled milk, but just like "normal" milk, they are removed from sending milk into the food chain.

That’s the law...but in practice the farmers (like athletes trying to pass drugs tests) cheat. So here is an article about the FDA catching antibiotics in both meat and dairy products, and the farmers were successful before they were caught because they began using antibiotics and other drugs the FDA tests don’t scan for because they aren’t supposed to be used in animals at all.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/03/08/391248045/fd...

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by mikewhy »

neom wrote: post #39

Very grateful to my parents for not allowing me sugar added foods when I was a kid, even though I thought it was so lame and had the worst packed lunch out of my friends. I actually ended up being 300lbs in my late teens early 20s because all I did was IRC all day. That said, it didn't take much effort to get to the 150/160 I am today. I'm not sure if it's correlated but coincidently I can't stand anything sweet as a…

My mother was the same. Any treat she made had half sugar half salt, no cereal if sugar was in the first 3 ingredients, and would rarely buy candy.

I went on to work in a bulk candy store, and usually have some bag of candy nearby.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by cletus »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #79
cletus wrote: post #66

I wonder if we're approaching the point of recognizing sugar addiction as a real thing. Just watch a number of children and you'll see, even from a young age, a wide variety of reactions to sugar. For example, one I cna think of has always (and continues to be) "sensible" with sugar. Like if she has a soda, she'll stop when she's had enough. If there are chocolates there she'll have one or two. One of her sisters jus…

It’s interesting that you attribute a difference among sisters to genes. Sisters are similar genetically, but cannot occupy the same social space. They cannot occupy the same material space. My explanation for the difference you observed is that siblings somewhat have non-overlapping coping strategies. If one gets angry, the other is being yelled at. If one eats more than their share, the other eats less. If one is a…

So what I think you're referring to is something I might otherwise call the Pauli Exclusion Principle for Children (or PEPC) for short.

Just like fermions, children it seems can't occupy the same state. This means that if one child is the "good one", a sibling won't be. They'll find their own niche. They could be the clown, or the athlete or the bookworm or whatever.

So if I read your comment correctly, you're essentially saying something similar with coping strategies. I can't and don't disagree with that idea but it's not mutually exclusive with genetic predisposition either. Just imagine two sisters do have a genetic predisposition to "sugar addiction". It doesn't mean they'll both become sugar addicts.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

will_brown wrote: post #86
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False. It's illegal to have antibiotic residue in milk regardless if its labeled "organic vs inorganic". https://www.fooddialogues.com/antibiotics-hormones-milk-dair... Nothing prevents dairy farmers from treating cows producing "organic" labeled milk, but just like "normal" milk, they are removed from sending milk into the food chain.

That’s the law...but in practice the farmers (like athletes trying to pass drugs tests) cheat. So here is an article about the FDA catching antibiotics in both meat and dairy products, and the farmers were successful before they were caught because they began using antibiotics and other drugs the FDA tests don’t scan for because they aren’t supposed to be used in animals at all. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2…

You could make the exact same argument for the organic food industry

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by crescentfresh »

neom wrote: post #39

Very grateful to my parents for not allowing me sugar added foods when I was a kid, even though I thought it was so lame and had the worst packed lunch out of my friends. I actually ended up being 300lbs in my late teens early 20s because all I did was IRC all day. That said, it didn't take much effort to get to the 150/160 I am today. I'm not sure if it's correlated but coincidently I can't stand anything sweet as a…

> 300lbs...it didn't take much effort to get to the 150/160

Uh, holy crap. Good job. How did you do it?

What are some lunch ideas from your parents for my kids? Serious question lol.

Since tree nuts and things aren't allowed I find nearly all the options in the "kids lunches" section of the store are all carb/sugar heavy, everything from the yogurts -> granola bars -> fruit. About the fattiest/healthiest thing I can think of are milk (still a lot of sugar but better than juice), cheese strings, or I make these celery + cream cheese things (instead of peanut butter, lol). I also found they like a tomato + mini bocconcini salad but by the time they go to eat it the salt has already "liquified" much of the cut tomatoes.

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