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Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by comex »

acct1771 wrote: post #21
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10

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The difference, to me, is that China is doing this to spy on its own, civilian citizens. That doesn't make what the US military does okay , but it does make it a lot better.

Do you think most branches of the US military aren't involved in domestic spying?

As you probably know, the intelligence community (which is partly military) is not supposed to target U.S. citizens, but there is a fair argument that so-called “incidental collection” of communications between a foreign target and someone in the US still amounts to “domestic spying”. However, for things like a spy drone where there’s no ambiguity in which jurisdiction is being targeted, I do think that no branch of the US military subject to the Posse Comitatus Act (all but the Coast Guard and, when called in, the National Guard) does or will use them on US soil. That said, civilian law enforcement agencies including the FBI, Border Patrol, DEA, and state police may do so. They all already use normal drones for various purposes.

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by unholythree »

cronix wrote: post #27
loceng wrote: post #7

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One significant/important difference between the US and China is you likely won't be able to criticize the program in one country vs. the other.

You can only criticize it, if you're made aware that it's happening. There are cities in the US that have deployed facial recognition technologies without anybody except the mayor (and police) knowing. Not even the city counsel knew. Most of the US was not aware to the extend that they were/are being monitored until Snowden revealed it. > Predictive policing technology has proven highly controversial wherever it is i…

The local chapter of the ACLU is in an office building across the street from City Hall in New Orleans. I think it's fair to say nothing comperable is the case in any major Chinese city.

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by chrisco255 »

intuitionist wrote: post #30
bassman9000 wrote: post #28

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The US-China attempt to moral equivalence is getting tiring. Far from perfect, the US still has a vast superior Rule of Law, human/natural rights protection, open internet, and it's not imprisoning a million people in "reeducation camps".

No, it's imprisoning two million people in prisons.

Yeah for actual crimes not for talking shit about the Communist party or being Muslim or whatever the Chinese government is up to these days. In the U.S. you can talk all the shit you want about Trump, you're not gonna suffer legal consequences for it. Good luck protesting Xi Jinping in Shanghai.

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by jammygit »

chrisco255 wrote: post #33
intuitionist wrote: post #30

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No, it's imprisoning two million people in prisons.

Yeah for actual crimes not for talking shit about the Communist party or being Muslim or whatever the Chinese government is up to these days. In the U.S. you can talk all the shit you want about Trump, you're not gonna suffer legal consequences for it. Good luck protesting Xi Jinping in Shanghai.

Actual crimes like possession of marijuana?

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by jammygit »

simplecomplex wrote: post #2

Our daily anti-China clickbait! Oh but it looks like US Military was doing this first... "Yet China isn't the first place innovators have sought to build a device to resemble a bird: in 2013, the U.S. military acquired more than 30 drones from Florida-based Prioria Robotics, designed to look like birds of prey. "

Its good for people to get freaked out when foreign governments do sketchy things.

I know it seems like everyone is picking on China, but if the world got really freaked out by what was happening there then people might have a better chance of preventing, or undoing, it here. If they accept it, its easier to normalize it at home too. Its way too normalized already.

For example, it seems like there has been a lot more news about western surveillance lately now that China is bringing the topic to people's attention. Facebook helped too. Sure, the media is picking on Facebook and China lately, but its bringing some important topics to the public attention as a warning.

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Post by [deleted] »

pizza wrote: post #18
izacus wrote: post #16

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So why are only China news upvoted here?

Well let's look at the past year's top stories with the keyword "surveillance" - it seems that there is far more about corporate surveillance powers and also American/Western surveillance, apart from one popular story about Xinjiang. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=surveillance&sort=byPopularity... I will agree, however, if you simply search 'China', the results.. don't look that pretty. I find it hard to tell how much…

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Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by themodelplumber »

alextooter wrote: post #37

Everyday news:China is bad,it tell you what they want you know,then some day they are going to have war with China,you will support that war.

So is there no negative news that can come from China? I am bombarded by good news from China every time I get another low-price electronics package in the mail. It's really quite out of balance. :-)

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

bassman9000 wrote: post #28
acct1771 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think most branches of the US military aren't involved in domestic spying?

The US-China attempt to moral equivalence is getting tiring. Far from perfect, the US still has a vast superior Rule of Law, human/natural rights protection, open internet, and it's not imprisoning a million people in "reeducation camps".

There's a term for this its called Whataboutism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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