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Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by acct1771 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10
simplecomplex wrote: post #2

Our daily anti-China clickbait! Oh but it looks like US Military was doing this first... "Yet China isn't the first place innovators have sought to build a device to resemble a bird: in 2013, the U.S. military acquired more than 30 drones from Florida-based Prioria Robotics, designed to look like birds of prey. "

The difference, to me, is that China is doing this to spy on its own, civilian citizens. That doesn't make what the US military does okay , but it does make it a lot better.

Do you think most branches of the US military aren't involved in domestic spying?

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by erokar »

simplecomplex wrote: post #2

Our daily anti-China clickbait! Oh but it looks like US Military was doing this first... "Yet China isn't the first place innovators have sought to build a device to resemble a bird: in 2013, the U.S. military acquired more than 30 drones from Florida-based Prioria Robotics, designed to look like birds of prey. "

I see. Information about how a dictatorship suppresses its citizens bothers you.

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by acct1771 »

gaius wrote: post #20
fromthestart wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the U.S. military turning this technology against its own citizens.

The US military from what I've seen takes Posse Commitatus fairly seriously.

Even the Director of the NSA will tell you that!

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by simplecomplex »

porphyrogene wrote: post #19
simplecomplex wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK has been doing the same thing for the last 10 years... https://www.wired.co.uk/article/face-recognition-police-uk-s...

Your ability to be blind to a challenge to your convictions is impressive in its own way.

What conviction? China is an authoritarian state, I’m not disputing that at all. My only conviction is that these articles are upvoted based on anti-Chinese sentiment, not on any real basis for learning something. Especially considering tech like drones and facial recognition aren’t being used by China any differently than how other countries like US, UK, etc. use them.

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by cronix »

porphyrogene wrote: post #9
simplecomplex wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but the narrative being pushed is that China is creepy and authoritarian for using the same tech and doing the same things everyone else is. Maybe it’s just me, but it seems every day similar articles are hitting HN’s front pages .

Facial recognition to identify passengers on public transit or anyone caught on a police officer’s body camera is mentioned in the article. Everyone else is not doing that. Everyone else does not have concentration camps and re-education facilities for Muslims and other rural cultures in mainland China. You are delusional to suggest that China is a victim of the free press. It’s the other way around.

> Everyone else is not doing that.

The US is. Let's not pretend that it's not happening, or try to justify it because a "good" gov't is doing it vs a "bad" one. Freedom, and rights, are becoming more and more of an illusion. For some reason, we've become conditioned to think it's only bad when the other guy is doing it and we're justified, somehow. It's wrong, period, and the outcome will not justify the means. It never does.

https://venturebeat.com/2018/05/22/amazon-is-selling-facial-...

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predict...

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/11/predictive-policing-surv...

https://www.apnews.com/b11e4bca11e548d3af7a63f24e348c6f

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Post by cronix »

loceng wrote: post #7
simplecomplex wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but the narrative being pushed is that China is creepy and authoritarian for using the same tech and doing the same things everyone else is. Maybe it’s just me, but it seems every day similar articles are hitting HN’s front pages .

One significant/important difference between the US and China is you likely won't be able to criticize the program in one country vs. the other.

You can only criticize it, if you're made aware that it's happening. There are cities in the US that have deployed facial recognition technologies without anybody except the mayor (and police) knowing. Not even the city counsel knew. Most of the US was not aware to the extend that they were/are being monitored until Snowden revealed it.

> Predictive policing technology has proven highly controversial wherever it is implemented, but in New Orleans, the program escaped public notice, partly because Palantir established it as a philanthropic relationship with the city through Mayor Mitch Landrieu’s signature NOLA For Life program. Thanks to its philanthropic status, as well as New Orleans’ “strong mayor” model of government, the agreement never passed through a public procurement process.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predict...

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by bassman9000 »

acct1771 wrote: post #21
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference, to me, is that China is doing this to spy on its own, civilian citizens. That doesn't make what the US military does okay , but it does make it a lot better.

Do you think most branches of the US military aren't involved in domestic spying?

The US-China attempt to moral equivalence is getting tiring. Far from perfect, the US still has a vast superior Rule of Law, human/natural rights protection, open internet, and it's not imprisoning a million people in "reeducation camps".

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Post by intuitionist »

bassman9000 wrote: post #28
acct1771 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think most branches of the US military aren't involved in domestic spying?

The US-China attempt to moral equivalence is getting tiring. Far from perfect, the US still has a vast superior Rule of Law, human/natural rights protection, open internet, and it's not imprisoning a million people in "reeducation camps".

No, it's imprisoning two million people in prisons.
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