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China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Our daily anti-China clickbait! Oh but it looks like US Military was doing this first... "Yet China isn't the first place innovators have sought to build a device to resemble a bird: in 2013, the U.S. military acquired more than 30 drones from Florida-based Prioria Robotics, designed to look like birds of prey. "

The answer is to increase scrutiny against both, not back off.

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Our daily anti-China clickbait! Oh but it looks like US Military was doing this first... "Yet China isn't the first place innovators have sought to build a device to resemble a bird: in 2013, the U.S. military acquired more than 30 drones from Florida-based Prioria Robotics, designed to look like birds of prey. "

The difference, to me, is that China is doing this to spy on its own, civilian citizens. That doesn't make what the US military does okay , but it does make it a lot better.

the spy on own citizens is just speculation added in by the clickbait journalist because hey it’s china so nobody will dispute they do this for opressing their own citizen

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take the troll bait. So if the US military does it then it's perfectly fine?

No, but the narrative being pushed is that China is creepy and authoritarian for using the same tech and doing the same things everyone else is. Maybe it’s just me, but it seems every day similar articles are hitting HN’s front pages .

There's really two ways that can be read.

One is "in China it's a dystopia, watch out and see how it happens because it could happen here". The other is "in China it's a dystopia, not here. Our bird-cameras are blueish-grey, not greyish-blue".

The second-order reaction is to watch out for people who exaggerate the small differences.

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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This made me think of the Black Mirror episode, Hated in the Nation (1). If a bad actor gets control over these drones, it can wreak havoc. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hated_in_the_Nation

I recalled a short story "Watchbird" by Robert Sheckley:

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/29579

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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post #11

Our daily anti-China clickbait! Oh but it looks like US Military was doing this first... "Yet China isn't the first place innovators have sought to build a device to resemble a bird: in 2013, the U.S. military acquired more than 30 drones from Florida-based Prioria Robotics, designed to look like birds of prey. "

The answer is to increase scrutiny against both, not back off.

So why are only China news upvoted here?

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but the narrative being pushed is that China is creepy and authoritarian for using the same tech and doing the same things everyone else is. Maybe it’s just me, but it seems every day similar articles are hitting HN’s front pages .

Facial recognition to identify passengers on public transit or anyone caught on a police officer’s body camera is mentioned in the article. Everyone else is not doing that. Everyone else does not have concentration camps and re-education facilities for Muslims and other rural cultures in mainland China. You are delusional to suggest that China is a victim of the free press. It’s the other way around.

UK has been doing the same thing for the last 10 years...

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/face-recognition-police-uk-s...

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is to increase scrutiny against both, not back off.

So why are only China news upvoted here?

Well let's look at the past year's top stories with the keyword "surveillance" - it seems that there is far more about corporate surveillance powers and also American/Western surveillance, apart from one popular story about Xinjiang.

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=surveillance&sort=byPopularity...

I will agree, however, if you simply search 'China', the results.. don't look that pretty. I find it hard to tell how much of that is due to current American anti-Chinese sentiment and how much of that is due to accurate reporting.

All the more reason for giving greater scrutiny to articles/journos as well as nations.

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china&sort=byPopularity&prefix...

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facial recognition to identify passengers on public transit or anyone caught on a police officer’s body camera is mentioned in the article. Everyone else is not doing that. Everyone else does not have concentration camps and re-education facilities for Muslims and other rural cultures in mainland China. You are delusional to suggest that China is a victim of the free press. It’s the other way around.

UK has been doing the same thing for the last 10 years... https://www.wired.co.uk/article/face-recognition-police-uk-s...

Your ability to be blind to a challenge to your convictions is impressive in its own way.

Re: China takes surveillance to new heights with flock of robotic doves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but the narrative being pushed is that China is creepy and authoritarian for using the same tech and doing the same things everyone else is. Maybe it’s just me, but it seems every day similar articles are hitting HN’s front pages .

Is the U.S. military turning this technology against its own citizens.

The US military from what I've seen takes Posse Commitatus fairly seriously.
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