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Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Re: Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Post by wolco »

kadendogthing wrote: post #85
wolco wrote: post #18

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No, that would be an over reaction that will harm more than it helps. Controls are important but stop all legal fishing is not the answer.

>that would be an over reaction that will harm more than it helps. Explain.

Legal avenues for fishing are gone. Illegal fishing takes over with no controls. More deaths more over fishing.

Another scenerio. Farming fishing increases causing increase population which[p is then dumped into the clean water supply.

What no one is mentioning is the amount of radioactive waste Japan is pumping into the ovean still. This is bigger problem but one being ignored.

Re: Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Post by malvosenior »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #139
malvosenior wrote: post #135

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Comparing eating meat with slavery is exactly why people won't stop eating meat. It's impossible to take such an argument seriously. > no one is arguing that meat doesn't taste good or that most people don't like to eat it. That's pretty much the final word on the subject. People will never stop eating meat. It's part of being human (yes some humans don't do it, but we are omnivores).

> It's impossible to take such an argument seriously. Why? It seems you are exactly proving my point: you've compartmentalized one as "ok cause we like it and do it now" and the other as "evil because it's bad and we don't do it anymore", but provide no argument as to why they are logically so incomparable. And your "final word on the subject" is apparently "meat tastes good and people like it." Forgive me if I'm not…

> Why?

Because it's a non-sequitur. Slavery and diet have absolutely nothing to do with each other. You could pick any good or bad example of something and strap it to your argument, but it doesn't make it convincing.

> And your "final word on the subject" is apparently "meat tastes good and people like it." Forgive me if I'm not pursuaded by your "logic".

Yep, that's why people will continue to eat meat; it tastes great. Do you honestly think people will ever stop? I know I never would and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Re: Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Post by hjek »

coldtea wrote: post #108
TomMarius wrote: post #87

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So why even argue that? Why not just say "I like whale meat"? I hate this "it's a tradition" bullshit. Just say it, stop hiding behind traditions.

Because they don't just like it like animals like stuff. They like it as meat, but they also like the parts of their culture associated with it. The same way an American would like the turkey AND the thanksgiving dinner, and would like to continue having both, and not just because of turkey meat, but as a combo.

So would slavery similarly be more justifiable if it was also done not only because slave owners liked it but because it was part of American culture?

Re: Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Post by mrnobody_67 »

aurizon wrote: post #2

As far as I am concerned, as a Canadian, I would remove the 'most favored nation' status from Japan. This would add import duties to all Japanese imports to Canada. that would far exceed any whaling profits. If you can not persuade them peacefully, 'club them to the ground' by adding the USA to also deny them MFN status.

Is 'club them' a reference to the baby seal clubbing that happens in Canada?

Re: Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Post by jamil7 »

merb wrote: post #61
maxxxxx wrote: post #40

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You can eat plants perfectly fine which in addition is much easier on the environment. At a minimum meat consumption could be reduced a lot.

some plants would kill the planet as well. let's take almonds for example, they need a huge amount of water. and still more and more products will include them. if everybody eats plants we would also need a huge amount of water/field sizes to feed everybody. guess the best thing is a healthy mix of everything.

Animals need even more water and space, both for themselves and for the huge amount of plant crops we grow to feed them. Which one do you think is more effecient to eat?

Re: Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Post by habeebtc »

temeritatis wrote: post #6

People often defend these kind of acts with the rationale that it is a culture heritage. If so, shouldn't they be sailing the ocean with traditional wooden sailboats and relying only on wind and currents to take them where they should go?

And anyways, my understanding is that whaling was not a traditional practice. At least not in the amounts it is done today.

It stemmed from food shortages post-WWII.

Re: Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Post by hjek »

adrianN wrote: post #121
wolco wrote: post #18

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No, that would be an over reaction that will harm more than it helps. Controls are important but stop all legal fishing is not the answer.

We could just pay fishermen to not fish, just like we pay farmers for fallow land.

How do you tell who is a fisherman if the fisherman does not catch fish?

Re: Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Post by nradov »

ajmurmann wrote: post #35
wolco wrote: post #18

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No, that would be an over reaction that will harm more than it helps. Controls are important but stop all legal fishing is not the answer.

For years I tried to only buy "sustainable" fish. It's almost impossible. Different lists give you different criteria. So much fish is endangered. So much fishing happens in ways that fish that's not even desired gets caught and thrown back in dead. Worth, some fishing techniques even damage the sea bed itself. On top of that most fish in stores is mislabeled making it downright impossible to enjoy fish without ruini…

Do you consider the Seafood Watch program inadequate?

http://www.seafoodwatch.org/

Re: Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

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Post by coldtea »

hjek wrote: post #140
coldtea wrote: post #105

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Sure, but one can say that for eating burgers too.

Exactly (if the burger is made of animal flesh, that is; but fortunately there are many other ways of making burgers).

Yeah, just not real or tasty ones.
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