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Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#191
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There already is a proposed technological solution to this: https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/stir-and-shaken-overview/ The FCC has recently "demanded" US telecoms to implement this [0], but at this point I don't believe there is actually a regulatory requirement to do so. [0] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-354933A1.pdf

How about people in your contact list get to call and text you for free and everyone else has to pay 10 cents? Telecoms definitely have the tech to do such billing. They could even take a cut. 9 cents for me and 1 cent for the telecom. This would solve almost all spam immediately and would be a long term solution.

Your post advocates a

( ) technical ( ) legislative (x) market-based ( ) vigilante

approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses

( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected

(x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money

( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks

( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it

(x) Users of email will not put up with it

( ) Microsoft will not put up with it

( ) The police will not put up with it

( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers

(x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once

( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers

( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists

( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it

(x) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email

( ) Open relays in foreign countries

( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses

( ) Asshats

(x) Jurisdictional problems

(x) Unpopularity of weird new taxes

( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money

( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP

( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack

( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email

( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes

( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches

( ) Extreme profitability of spam

( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft

( ) Technically illiterate politicians

( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers

( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves

( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering

( ) Outlook

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

(x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical

( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable

( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation

( ) Blacklists suck

(x) Whitelists suck

( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored

( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud

( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks

( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually

(x) Sending email should be free

( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?

( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses

( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem

( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome

( ) I don't want the government reading my email

(x) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(x) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.

( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.

( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#192

T-Mobile has a feature that uses the Caller ID to display “Scam Likely”...which is a great stopgap measure and doesn’t cost me extra.

one step further, on tmobile you can block all scam likely calls from ever reaching your phone.

google for the instructions how

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#193

T-Mobile has a feature that uses the Caller ID to display “Scam Likely”...which is a great stopgap measure and doesn’t cost me extra.

That got me thinking. I haven't seen that message in a while, but I've moved from regular android to AOSP. I wonder if that scam likely CID needs some google play support ?

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#194

I would love to be able to block all numbers coming from my area code and the first 3 digits of my number.. all my robo calls come from a number that looks just like mine.

I just switched to Hiya from Nomorobo and the premium version allows for this, referred to as the "neighbor scam". It's worked really well, between my number and Gvoice I was getting 50 of these calls a week.

Mind saying a bit more about making this switch? I use Hiya now and am open to something better. You seem happy with the move?

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#195
post #9

AFAIK, it's still the case that I can't block everything but numbers in my contacts, right? That's all I'm asking, and it can't be that hard. Add that simple feature that should have been there ten years ago and the problem is solved for me.

Unfortunately, they can just call you from one of your contacts... it's not like a zillion apps haven't already grabbed that information (from one source or another). Alternately, your name (reverse lookup) and your parents names and phone numbers are easily found.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#196
If you are in the “middle of a gaming experience” set to Do Not Disturb and set the option to allow calls from favorites. Meaning, if you are in a situation where a phone call is disruptive, then Do Not Disturb solves that completely, with the option of allowing favorites to get through.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#197

We don't have this problem in Singapore. https://www.dnc.gov.sg/index.html We have this do not call list. Once added, calls, texts, etc, drop to like nothing. Infact I cannot remember the last time I had a call... I get the occasional text message but it's mostly shops telling me to use my store points before a certain date. A reminder.

Or NZ. I think I maybe get a spam call maybe once a year, or less. I haven't changed my phone number for the last 16 years, so I'm sure I'm on all the lists I could be on at this point. Why is this a problem in the US and not elsewhere?

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about people in your contact list get to call and text you for free and everyone else has to pay 10 cents? Telecoms definitely have the tech to do such billing. They could even take a cut. 9 cents for me and 1 cent for the telecom. This would solve almost all spam immediately and would be a long term solution.

Your post advocates a ( ) technical ( ) legislative (x) market-based ( ) vigilante approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.) ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses ( ) Mailing lists and other le…

Impressive.

Are you using a framework of sorts to provide this answer?

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#199
I'd like an option similar to the old answering machine / secretary screening for unknown callers: 1. A voice assistant says to the caller "may I ask who's calling [records response] and what is your call in reference to [records response]?"

2. Siri announces the call to me if the phone is not set to Not Disturb mode.

3. I accept the call or decline. If I decline, Siri gives the caller the option to leave an additional message.

TL;DR Caller states their name and business before I pick up.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

#200

I'd like an option similar to the old answering machine / secretary screening for unknown callers: 1. A voice assistant says to the caller "may I ask who's calling [records response] and what is your call in reference to [records response]?" 2. Siri announces the call to me if the phone is not set to Not Disturb mode. 3. I accept the call or decline. If I decline, Siri gives the caller the option to leave an addition…

This is almost exactly what Google is doing.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/16/18098714/google-assistan...

> ...you can tap the “screen call” button. Google Assistant will then alert the caller that you’re using a screening service and that you’ll receive a copy of the conversation. From then, you can choose to pick up the call, hang up, or block the number.

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